[VoIP] CAMA and UK billing

[Steph Kerman]

However for the coins to go anywhere after being dropped in, as many 
eBay auctions state, the coin vane has to at least be disengaged from 
the coin relay or the coin relay held in an operated position 
continuously. 

Steph

Mark Rudholm wrote:
> Indeed he does.
>
> He and other people do sell payphones that have not been
> damaged.  A lot of times they say "will work on home line"
> but any loop-start payphone will.  I have bought nice
> payphones via ebay, including, I kid you not, a New-Old Stock
> 2C2 in its original box!
>
> Shane Young wrote:
>   
>> Jayson
>>
>> Phil McCarter, 377-5252 on CNET, has real pay phones for sale which  
>> have not been gutted.
>>
>> --Shane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com>:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>      This brings me to my next question, acquiring a proper coin phone.
>>> Unfortunately, most of the payphones I'm seeing on eBay which aren't COCOTs,
>>> desktop payphones, three-slot payphones or replicas have been converted for
>>> home use. I assume this means they've gone into the phone, ripped out all
>>> the guts we're really interested in here E.G. totalizer, coin holding
>>> chamber and relay, etc. They say coins deposited will go directly to the
>>> coin box, do not pass Go, do not collect or return, just couldn't resist. Is
>>> eBay not the best place to look for these phones, and if not, where is?
>>> Also, if I do get a phone, if I have all the keys, can I access and remove
>>> the contents of the temporary coin holding chamber or whatever it's called?
>>> E.G. if I deposit a few coins to insure the thing's producing tones, without
>>> the ability to activate the relay, I can't collect or return the coins, so
>>> they'd just be stuck in the holding chamber.
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark Rudholm" <mark at rudholm.com>
>>> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] CAMA and UK billing
>>>
>>>
>>> You're exactly right, of course.  ACTS no longer supports inter-LATA
>>> calling.  Calls outside my LATA just go to a "cannot be completed as
>>> dialed..." intercept.  Seems like ACTS is falling into disrepair
>>> lately, as I can't call some places that are in my LATA (730) but
>>> outside the state (parts of AZ are in LATA 730).  I wouldn't be
>>> terribly surprised if I got a letter from SBC one of these days
>>> telling me they will no longer provide my coin service line.
>>>
>>> As far as my ASCOT project, I need to do some more work on the
>>> hardware design and order some more parts.  I made some "quick-and-
>>> dirty" design choices that I've decided to do the "right" way after
>>> all.  Partly because it seems a number of people are interested in
>>> basing work on mine.  I haven't had much time to work on it lately,
>>> as I've been pretty busy with the work that pays the bills, but the
>>> project tray is still sitting right here on my desk...
>>>
>>> Of course, once the hardware is done, there's still the matter of
>>> the software.  Simple "collect on supervision" functionality
>>> shouldn't be too difficult, but full coin tone recognition for
>>> ACTS emulation will be non-trivial.
>>>
>>> I will probably not implement the full compliment of tests
>>> (initial deposit, stuck coin, etc) since that makes the hardware
>>> more complicated without really adding much in the way of amusement
>>> value of the project.
>>>
>>> You really should have a non-COCOT single-slot payphone regardless :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>       
>>>> You can't make long distance calls from non-COCOT phones, E.G. those that
>>>> still use ACTS over a coin line. BTW Mark, on a different topic, any
>>>> progress with your ACTS for Asterisk project? If this ever gets working,
>>>> I'll have to try to find a non-COCOT single-slot payphone.
>>>> Jayson
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
>>>> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] CAMA and UK billing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why not?  What are the inter-LATA per-minute rates like from a payphone
>>>> these days?  Is hopper capacity really the reason or is there some other
>>>> reason.  I'd think the COCOTs allow this since last time I noticed (not
>>>> recently!) many of them had "25¢ PER MINUTE ANYWHERE IN THE US"
>>>> emblazoned on them.
>>>>
>>>> Steph
>>>>
>>>> Mark Rudholm wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Yeah, I can't pay cash for calls outside my LATA
>>>>> from my payphone now, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Donald Froula wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I also recall the pay phones had a chute one could
>>>>>> fill with the shilling coins. Each meter pulse would
>>>>>> collect one coin. I once called back to the US using
>>>>>> coins. The pulses came so fast I literally could not
>>>>>> feed the coins in fast enough to keep the chute
>>>>>> filled. It was impossible to keep the "buffer" filled!
>>>>>>             
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