From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 04:01:44 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:01:44 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OFAAFC67BB.112E00B5-ON852572ED.00319910-852572ED.00319918@dteenergy.com>


Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.

These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.

At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
from.

Hope this helps all.

Dennis Hock

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To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.

On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
port in slot 1/6.

To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command

BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
 dtmf   touch-tone dialer
 mf     mf-tone dialer
 pulse  pulse dialer



Just pick the one you want.

The E&M interface is exactly the same.

The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!

John


----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
<voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
to
use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
SxS.

L

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!

JN


John Novack wrote:
> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
> little with the Cisco 3810
> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 04:03:16 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:03:16 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OFF26EBB49.77C7DFF1-ON852572ED.0031BD08-852572ED.0031BD0E@dteenergy.com>


In case anyone needs it we were able to pull down the docs from the Cisco
site as the 3810 is a discontinued product.  I can send it as an attachment
I think to anyone who has one and needs the manual but can't find it on the
Cisco site.

Dennis Hock

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To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.

On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
port in slot 1/6.

To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command

BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
 dtmf   touch-tone dialer
 mf     mf-tone dialer
 pulse  pulse dialer



Just pick the one you want.

The E&M interface is exactly the same.

The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!

John


----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
<voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
to
use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
SxS.

L

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!

JN


John Novack wrote:
> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
> little with the Cisco 3810
> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>
> John Novack
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 04:33:03 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:33:03 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] In-Band Signaling
Message-ID: <OFE1F382D1.D10882CE-ON852572ED.0034771D-852572ED.00347721@dteenergy.com>


Greg sounds interesting.  Like you I am having way too much fun at work
with of all things work (not).  Too much work and not enough time.  My
commute has gone to 5 hours a day due to major construction on I94.  Two
hours in the morning and three hours at night.  Eat go to bed and get up to
do it again.

Hopefully I'll have some time to continue to play a little soon.

Take care,

Dennis hock

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To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
From: "Greg Blakely" <greg at vyger.net>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:45PM
Subject: [VoIP] In-Band Signaling

I stumbled across an odd thing today while going through the trunk
groups that attach to the Siemens EWSD switch that I work on in my real
life --  a trunk group that goes to the MPLSMNDT12T toll tandem, and
it's set up for MF.

I was pretty busy, but I'm almost certain that we don't actually have a
**live** MF trunk group going to Qwest, but it'd sure be cool if we did.
The portal number I have listed on ckts.info is served by the EWSD, so,
if I can get the MF trunks turned up without the need of a service
order, we may have some 'production' inband signaling for all of us to
listen to.

Probably not, though.  But, you never know
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 04:39:02 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:39:02 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OFB747ABC0.05BEA46C-ON852572ED.00350373-852572ED.00350379@dteenergy.com>


Johnyou sure are correct I posted the specs on the unit I bought.  I had
spoke to John some time ago but havcen't gotten back to it of course.  Hey
can you tell me if you can reach me at my office MW?  1 269-4996 or 0002.
I think I reuped on the Dynamic DNS site but am not sure it really took.

Hope you're doing well and everyone is doing good.

Dennis

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To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 10:15AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I was guided by John Jones, since there are MANY flavors of the 3810
equipped with different sizes of memory, flash and option cards.
If you don't have the daughter board that holds up to 6 FXO,FXS or E&M
modules, 16k of flash and 64K of main memory ( I THINK I have all of
that correct ) then you can't do what is needed. Those USUALLY go for
75-100 bucks with six ports equipped . There are a few on eBay now but
higher price.

JJ provided me with the SIP OS to replace the one born in the machine,
and much hand holding to get to where I am so far. I have yet to
configure the FXO circuits and test them. The 3810 normally comes
equipped with an AC power supply. There was a 48 VDC power supply, but
not as many of them show up
Since it is SIP, the patches provided by Max and Russ don't apply.
Paul Wills is using one of these along with a Linksys wireless router as
his complete CNET interface.


Dennis D Hock wrote:
> Lee,
>
> I purchased one a short time ago, but havent done anything with it yet.
I
> think it was right around $110 or 20 can't recall for sure.  It looks to
be
> in very nice shape, it wasfrom that fellow that was shown on here from
> Ebay.
>
> Dennis Hock
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>, "'Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
> Switches'" <voip at ckts.info>
> From: "Lee Spenadel" <lee at spenadel.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 05/31/2007 07:14AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
> to
> use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
> SxS.
>
> L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> John Novack
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!
>
> JN
>
>
> John Novack wrote:
>
>> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
>> little with the Cisco 3810
>> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
>> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
>> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
>> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
>> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
>> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
>> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
>> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>>
>> John Novack
>> _______________________________________________
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 04:59:41 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:59:41 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
Message-ID: <OF9BB65015.E1BB118B-ON852572ED.0036E75C-852572ED.0036E761@dteenergy.com>


That could very well be.  Depends on the local calling area and where one
is at.  Also seems like Verizon (GTE) was allowed to implement slightly
different than att/SBC/Ameritech.  All in all a bit of  a headache.  Seems
like it would be much easier to just move to ten digit dialing and be done
with it. Or a the very least allow it to complete if it should and not
block it based on some politcal decision.  The reason fro not iallowing the
1 and ten to complete according tot eh PSC is that everyone knows when you
dial 1 it is long distance and this sends the wrong information to the
customer.  So better to block it.

Dennis H.

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To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 09:37AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311

I could be mistaken but I think I my sister said that in the 989 NPA
where she lives there are both 10 and 11 digit calls within the
immediate surrounding part of the Saginaw-Bay City-Midland area.  Sounds
like what you are describing.  She might have even said that there were
cases where there were both 10 and 11 digit calls to the same exchange.
I'm not sure about this second part.

If that seems confusing, when they split eastern Long Island (Suffolk
County) from 516 to 631 some years ago, they divided the 420 exchange
serving Farmingdale into a 516 and 631 part.   Farmingdale straddles the
Nassau-Suffolk County line.  Calls from outside the area only complete
with the correct area code.  So it was impossible to determine which
area code to dial.  One person I knew stayed with 516-420 while another
ended up with a 631-420 number.   People within the same exchange have
to dial the other area code to reach people on the other side of the
county line.

Maybe the county line runs through the CO building and they assigned all
line equipments on one side of the line to 516 and those on the other to
631, reassigning people to different line equipment to match the
geographical location of their line equipment with the side of the
county line they are on.  Nothing would surprise me.

SK

Dennis D Hock wrote:
> I am not sure but suspect as John and others have indicated I'll bet it
is
> working somewhere in the vast NANP.  In Michigan where I live we have
> received extended local calling to any adjacent exchange that touches
> yours.  Now one would think that would mean you could dial it as a seven
> digit number. Nope guess again, and you can't dial it as a 1 plus ten
> digit.  It can only be dialed as ten digits.  You think I would remember
> when calling the Home Depot in the next town over but almost every time
it
> takes me two or three tries to get it right.
>
> Dennis Hock
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 05/30/2007 08:18AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
>
> Aren't there areas of the country where 10-digit dialing is used without
> 1+?  Or are do these only allow local or intra-LATA dialing to those few
> nearby NPAs?
>
> Steph
>
> Dennis D Hock wrote:
>
>> Yes 311 has been designated for non emergency access to ones supposed
>>
> local
>
>> govt unit.  I think the confusion here is in calling 311 a NPA.  I
>>
> believe
>
>> the Notes on the Network indicate that it and all n11 codes are really
>>
> SAC
>
>> and have no real NPA designation.
>>
>> T
>>
>>
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 05:14:35 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:14:35 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Valid CLID
Message-ID: <OFDAC958F2.32AAF60A-ON852572ED.0038449E-852572ED.003844A6@dteenergy.com>


I don't see how either of you could resemble that remark as you are both
from the industry.  The politicians have nothing better to do and certainly
have shown over time they don't understand anything more technical than
changing the batteries in a flashlight.  Beyond that they only see dollars
or the hope of them.

Dennis Hock

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To: <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>, "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
From: "Greg Blakely" <greg at vyger.net>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 10:03AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Valid CLID



> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info]
> On Behalf Of John Novack
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:54 PM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Valid CLID
>
> used to be normal NANP, before all the political types stuck
> their fingers in the mix.
>
Harumph!  I resemble that remark...
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 05:26:29 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:26:29 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Valid CLID
Message-ID: <OF496B377B.8B0A5056-ON852572ED.00395B51-852572ED.00395B57@dteenergy.com>


I agree with John.  I understand or at least I think I understand why greg
and some others may wish or need to use "200" as a NPA, and I do recall
gregs post but frankly and honestly I haven't done a thing to my dial plan
to accomodate that.  Not that I am against it but I am against it at this
time.  I would say Johns comment of KISS should apply.

I don't think we want to do some things like we find ourselves in here at
work.  That is "ICTIP" or In Confusion There Is Profit ;-).  I think its
day may come that we will need a NPA but I don't think it is necessary to
have it yet.  Just my opinion.

Dennis Hock

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To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/30/2007 11:53PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Valid CLID



Chad Perkins wrote:
>
> To use '200' or not to use '200'.  The 200 area code has been in CNET
long before I was (as part of the dial plan samples).  Some of us need it
to route outgoing calls that otherwise would be routed to the PSTN by
Asterisk,
I route calls out of CNET by dialing 9-1-XXX-XXXX when I use my
Stanaphone account, and 8-1-XXX-XXXX when I use Gizmo.
Since I access  Asterisk via several phones, either my house system
Panasonic 1232, my EM switch via trunk circuits, and SIP phones, my
situation may differ from others, but I sure as hell don't want to dial
ALL CNET calls with 10 digits.
> and most of us I think strip it off just before sending the called number
to ENUM.
I have made NO provisions for using nor receiving the 200 NPA. I dial
CNET calls as 7 digits for NA, and Asterisk adds the 1 towards the
network. FOr other than NA calls, I dial 011.
To my mind, this is about as close as I can get to the what used to be
normal NANP, before all the political types stuck their fingers in the mix.

Asterisk can certainly be programmed  around this, but it seems silly to
me right now to have an NPA long before we need it, if ever.
Several of us have multiple office codes that could be released, or have
been released for others to use. Office codes can easily be divided up
between two distant switches, if necessary.
Lets Keep It Simple - KISS

John Novack

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From lee at spenadel.com  Fri Jun  1 06:49:22 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:49:22 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Adtran outpulsing
In-Reply-To: <20070601030501.71604.qmail@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <000a01c7a37e$24e23600$6ea6a200$@com>
	<20070601030501.71604.qmail@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c7a442$e5c04b90$b140e2b0$@com>

Max,

Excellent thought(s) and quite logical.  I use a Digium T400P clone of some
sort - I'd have to look to see who made it.  I can't remember what Russ is
using, but maybe that can shed some light if he's using a different board.
I know he was using an Adtran like me with the same FXO.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
ikjtel
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:05 PM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Adtran outpulsing


FWIW, the X100P uses a different low-level driver
(wcfxo.c) than channel-bank ports use (wct1xxp.c et
al.), and the Digium TDM400 uses yet another one
(wctdm.c) although all of these in turn rely upon
zaptel.c for the generic processing...  Then again SIP
has yet another driver (and is even more different in
that user-space [asterisk] speaks to SIP devices
differently  - chan_sip.c instead of chan_zap.c) All
clear??? :-)

It is easy to hear the irregularity in the outpulsing
(at least it was some time ago when dialling thru
Lee's system which had the "hearpulsing" patch
applied)...

The way in which the signalling is conveyed in the
Adtran-FXO case is by way of the "RBS bits"
(robbed-bit signalling) using the A and B bits in the
T1 frames.

Inasmuch as the X100P's seem to work OK, it is
tempting to rule out zaptel.c as being the culprit. 
This leaves wct[e]xxxp.c, the T1 itself and the card,
and the Adtran as possible suspects. One would *hope*
that the Adtran would be somewhat more robust than to
fall into such a stupid bug, but it's possible I
suppose.  The T1 and card are too stupid to be prime
suspects, but again it's possible.

By amassing more data points we might be able to
remove one or more of the remaining suspects from the
list.
I think it's probably safe to say that SIP is a
different enough beast that it's not in play in this
elimination excercise.  However, if someone has a
genuine TDM400 with FXO's (probably the Varion
"clones" would only add to the confusion here) it
might provide an interesting data point as to whether
they have the irregularity or not...  Likewise, if
someone has another brand of channel bank FXO other
than an Adtran one it would be *very* interesting to
see if the problem occurs there as well...  (My own
unsubstantiated suspicion is that it would).

Unfortunately my channel banks only have FXS, and the
one time I looked to see how hard it might be to rig
up a test environment, it seemed to be unfeasible.  It
didn't appear that the signalling bits worked the same
way (or similarly enough) ...

More data / feedback is welcome, of course...

Best

Max

p.s. One *could* open a trouble ticket with Asterisk,
I suppose ;-)

--- Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com> wrote:

> The Adtran problem may not be apparent in all
> situations.  Russ Price did
> some testing after my reported problems with
> consistent dial pulsing from
> the Adtran FXO to my SxS.  Russ' and my switches
> were somewhat intolerant of
> the timing of the Adtran pulsing.  Russ tried
> modifying the pulsing
> make/break times in asterisk with no change in
> pulsing to his SxS.   In my
> case it lead to mis-dialing of extensions.  It
> doesn't do this all of the
> time.  It's somewhat intermittent.  When I placed a
> WildCard X100P in my
> Asterisk box and set it up to pulse to my SxS, all
> worked fine.
> 
> I guess the bottom line is that the Adtran FXO does
> pulse out the digits,
> but depending on the tolerances of your switch, you
> may or may not have a
> problem. 
> 
> Lee
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Kay
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:41 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Adtran (was Cisco 3810)
> 
> Lee Spenadel wrote:
> > So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that
> would be a nice device
> to
> > use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the
> outpulsing problem toward my
> > SxS.
> >
> >   
> 
> Is there a definite problem with Adtran channel
> banks and rotary dialling?
> I'm more than a bit hacked off if that's the case,
> after paying loads of 
> shipping to the UK and big bucks to obtain an FXO
> loaded Adtran.
> I've still not had time to set the thing up so far.
> 
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From jjones3601 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 07:37:33 2007
From: jjones3601 at yahoo.com (john jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <789999.48466.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of an upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.

John

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810


Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.

These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.

At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
from.

Hope this helps all.

Dennis Hock

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.

On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
port in slot 1/6.

To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command

BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
dtmf   touch-tone dialer
mf     mf-tone dialer
pulse  pulse dialer



Just pick the one you want.

The E&M interface is exactly the same.

The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!

John


----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
<voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
to
use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
SxS.

L

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!

JN


John Novack wrote:
> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
> little with the Cisco 3810
> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>
> John Novack
> _______________________________________________
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From jjones3601 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 07:37:33 2007
From: jjones3601 at yahoo.com (john jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <789999.48466.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of an upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.

John

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810


Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.

These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.

At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
from.

Hope this helps all.

Dennis Hock

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.

On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
port in slot 1/6.

To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command

BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
dtmf   touch-tone dialer
mf     mf-tone dialer
pulse  pulse dialer



Just pick the one you want.

The E&M interface is exactly the same.

The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!

John


----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
<voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
to
use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
SxS.

L

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!

JN


John Novack wrote:
> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
> little with the Cisco 3810
> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>
> John Novack
> _______________________________________________
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From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Fri Jun  1 08:21:21 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:21:21 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <OF9BB65015.E1BB118B-ON852572ED.0036E75C-852572ED.0036E761@dteenergy.com>
References: <OF9BB65015.E1BB118B-ON852572ED.0036E75C-852572ED.0036E761@dteenergy.com>
Message-ID: <46601D51.60507@stromberg-carlson.org>



Dennis D Hock wrote:
<snip>
> The reason for not iallowing the 1 and ten to complete according to the PSC is that everyone knows when you dial 1 it is long distance and this sends the wrong information to the
> customer.  So better to block it.
>
> Dennis H.
>   
Except in IL, where 1 plus is REQUIRED for ALL 10 digit ( 11 digit ) calls
Probably other states as well.
What we get when technical decisions are allowed to be made by bureaucrats.

John Novack



From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 08:48:46 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:48:46 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OFDC0CB9A2.95989A62-ON852572ED.004BE046-852572ED.004BE04B@dteenergy.com>

John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark

Thanks,

Dennis H

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 08:37AM
cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of an
upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.

John

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810


Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.

These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.

At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
from.

Hope this helps all.

Dennis Hock

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.

On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
port in slot 1/6.

To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command

BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
dtmf   touch-tone dialer
mf     mf-tone dialer
pulse  pulse dialer



Just pick the one you want.

The E&M interface is exactly the same.

The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!

John


----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
<voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
to
use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
SxS.

L

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!

JN


John Novack wrote:
> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
> little with the Cisco 3810
> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>
> John Novack
> _______________________________________________
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> VoIP at ckts.info
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 08:50:53 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:50:53 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
Message-ID: <OF44886E79.7E955011-ON852572ED.004C11E8-852572ED.004C11EE@dteenergy.com>

Absolutely John.  I should have qulified that to say that was the
explanation from our Michigan PSC.  Others as you said are no doubt looking
at it from their rose colored glasses and implementing accordingly.

Dennis

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 09:21AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311



Dennis D Hock wrote:
<snip>
> The reason for not iallowing the 1 and ten to complete according to the
PSC is that everyone knows when you dial 1 it is long distance and this
sends the wrong information to the
> customer.  So better to block it.
>
> Dennis H.
>
Except in IL, where 1 plus is REQUIRED for ALL 10 digit ( 11 digit ) calls
Probably other states as well.
What we get when technical decisions are allowed to be made by bureaucrats.

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From bbj at innismir.net  Fri Jun  1 08:53:47 2007
From: bbj at innismir.net (Ben Jackson)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:53:47 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <46601D51.60507@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <OF9BB65015.E1BB118B-ON852572ED.0036E75C-852572ED.0036E761@dteenergy.com>
	<46601D51.60507@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <466024EB.3020403@innismir.net>

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John Novack wrote:
> 
> Dennis D Hock wrote: <snip>
>> The reason for not iallowing the 1 and ten to complete according to
>> the PSC is that everyone knows when you dial 1 it is long distance
>> and this sends the wrong information to the customer.  So better to
>> block it.
>> 
>> Dennis H.
>> 
> Except in IL, where 1 plus is REQUIRED for ALL 10 digit ( 11 digit )
> calls Probably other states as well. What we get when technical
> decisions are allowed to be made by bureaucrats.
> 

Similar in MA. When the overlay codes came into being, Verizon
"preferred" you dial +1 for all calls local or toll.


- --
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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From rdekema at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 09:26:09 2007
From: rdekema at gmail.com (Rusty Dekema)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:26:09 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
In-Reply-To: <OFDC0CB9A2.95989A62-ON852572ED.004BE046-852572ED.004BE04B@dteenergy.com>
References: <OFDC0CB9A2.95989A62-ON852572ED.004BE046-852572ED.004BE04B@dteenergy.com>
Message-ID: <68171c120706010726o54c534aar5af2965e6ddef461@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/1/07, Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com> wrote:
> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis H

Looks like about $30 on eBay. I forget exactly what kind of memory is
needed for the MC3810, I think it's a parity SIMM. However, if you
search for mc3810 on eBay, there are a ton of listings of "64M Memory
Module for MC3810" for about $30 each.

I'm pretty sure you need the 64M of RAM to run any version of IOS that
supports SIP on the 3810, but I could be wrong about that.


Rusty

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Fri Jun  1 10:14:57 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:14:57 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
In-Reply-To: <68171c120706010726o54c534aar5af2965e6ddef461@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OFDC0CB9A2.95989A62-ON852572ED.004BE046-852572ED.004BE04B@dteenergy.com>
	<68171c120706010726o54c534aar5af2965e6ddef461@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <466037F1.6070402@stromberg-carlson.org>

I am also a LITTLE confused about all of this
The unit I ( sometimes ) have working has 2 replaceable memory modules
One is marked SMART and then a long part number
Is this the flash memory?  The NVram?
Another, shorter module is marked 64MB sync 125Mhz
This is the main memory?

Clearly one needs the 16 meg flash as the SIP image is 13 meg
All old files have to be offloaded and deleted before the SIP image can 
be loaded

There are often 3810's that show up on eBay, but not all will allow this 
configuration
Not all have all the cards needed either, and purchasing the AVM 
daughterboard alone is $60, then up to 6 modules.
Finding one properly equipped can often be the lowest cost.

John Novack

Rusty Dekema wrote:
> On 6/1/07, Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com> wrote:
>   
>> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dennis H
>>     
>
> Looks like about $30 on eBay. I forget exactly what kind of memory is
> needed for the MC3810, I think it's a parity SIMM. However, if you
> search for mc3810 on eBay, there are a ton of listings of "64M Memory
> Module for MC3810" for about $30 each.
>
> I'm pretty sure you need the 64M of RAM to run any version of IOS that
> supports SIP on the 3810, but I could be wrong about that.
>
>
> Rusty

From mark at rudholm.com  Fri Jun  1 10:44:22 2007
From: mark at rudholm.com (Mark Rudholm)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:44:22 -0700
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <OF44886E79.7E955011-ON852572ED.004C11E8-852572ED.004C11EE@dteenergy.com>
References: <OF44886E79.7E955011-ON852572ED.004C11E8-852572ED.004C11EE@dteenergy.com>
Message-ID: <46603ED6.9050500@rudholm.com>

Maybe I have a southern California bias or something, but I never
really understood the whole "1+ Toll Alerting" business.  I realize
some people love it, but I always thought it was silly, and now
that long-distance is down in the 0-4 cents per minute range, is
it really that big of a deal?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 1+ dialing introduced to
disambiguate out-of-npa calls when generalized (from NNX to NXX)
office codes were first assigned back in the early 70s?  Back when NPAs
were all N0/1X and office codes were all NNX, there were no O.C./npa
collisions, so all calls could be dialed as 7D or 10D without
ambiguity.  So the idea of 1+ = toll alerting seems like an artifact,
not something by design.

Living in Los Angeles, where area codes are quite numerous, people
have generally started just dialing 1+10D for all calls.  Given that,
it seems to me that the 1 is now just anachronistic baggage, so for
my systems, I've dropped it.  I just use 10D for all calls.  You
can use 7D but there's a timeout.

The telcos still require the 1, however.

Also, in 310, which is scheduled for an overlay, 1+10D is now
mandatory on *all* calls.  I understand the rationale here is that
since the CLECs will be the ones primarily getting assignments in
the new area code, the CPUC wanted to level they playing field by
requiring 11D, thereby eliminating the preferability of 310 office
codes.

But anyway, meh on 1+ toll alerting, I say.

Dennis D Hock wrote:
> Absolutely John.  I should have qulified that to say that was the
> explanation from our Michigan PSC.  Others as you said are no doubt looking
> at it from their rose colored glasses and implementing accordingly.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
> 
> 
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 06/01/2007 09:21AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis D Hock wrote:
> <snip>
>> The reason for not iallowing the 1 and ten to complete according to the
> PSC is that everyone knows when you dial 1 it is long distance and this
> sends the wrong information to the
>> customer.  So better to block it.
>>
>> Dennis H.
>>
> Except in IL, where 1 plus is REQUIRED for ALL 10 digit ( 11 digit ) calls
> Probably other states as well.
> What we get when technical decisions are allowed to be made by bureaucrats.
> 
> John Novack
> 
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From stfkerman at jps.net  Fri Jun  1 11:01:44 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:01:44 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <46603ED6.9050500@rudholm.com>
References: <OF44886E79.7E955011-ON852572ED.004C11E8-852572ED.004C11EE@dteenergy.com>
	<46603ED6.9050500@rudholm.com>
Message-ID: <466042E8.2010601@jps.net>

Areas that used 10D dialing before NXX office codes were introduced were 
served by Panel, Crossbar or ESS.  These did indeed adopt the use of 1+ 
to enable the CO to know whether to wait for 7 or 10 digits.  However 
1+10D dialing was always required in most areas served by SXS equipment 
to immediately pass the call through to the toll office when a 10 digit 
call was dialed.  So it is not correct that when all NPAs were N0/1X all 
calls were dialed as 7D or 10D. 

Many SXS areas, in addition to requiring 1+10D dilaing also required 
1+7D dialing for short haul toll, for the same reason: to allow the toll 
office to capture the dialed digits for toll billing.  Whether the 1 
prefix was a requirement for regulatory reasons, it was a necessity for 
equipment reasons.  1+ dialing was also sometimes used on common control 
offices in areas with mixed SXS and common control equipment to achieve 
uniform dialing practices.  But many areas that were served by common 
control equipment used 7 digit dialing for local as well as short haul 
toll, without a 1+ prefix to distinguish toll and local.

Steph

Mark Rudholm wrote:
> Maybe I have a southern California bias or something, but I never
> really understood the whole "1+ Toll Alerting" business.  I realize
> some people love it, but I always thought it was silly, and now
> that long-distance is down in the 0-4 cents per minute range, is
> it really that big of a deal?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 1+ dialing introduced to
> disambiguate out-of-npa calls when generalized (from NNX to NXX)
> office codes were first assigned back in the early 70s?  Back when NPAs
> were all N0/1X and office codes were all NNX, there were no O.C./npa
> collisions, so all calls could be dialed as 7D or 10D without
> ambiguity.  So the idea of 1+ = toll alerting seems like an artifact,
> not something by design.
>
> Living in Los Angeles, where area codes are quite numerous, people
> have generally started just dialing 1+10D for all calls.  Given that,
> it seems to me that the 1 is now just anachronistic baggage, so for
> my systems, I've dropped it.  I just use 10D for all calls.  You
> can use 7D but there's a timeout.
>
> The telcos still require the 1, however.
>
> Also, in 310, which is scheduled for an overlay, 1+10D is now
> mandatory on *all* calls.  I understand the rationale here is that
> since the CLECs will be the ones primarily getting assignments in
> the new area code, the CPUC wanted to level they playing field by
> requiring 11D, thereby eliminating the preferability of 310 office
> codes.
>
> But anyway, meh on 1+ toll alerting, I say.
>
> Dennis D Hock wrote:
>   
>> Absolutely John.  I should have qulified that to say that was the
>> explanation from our Michigan PSC.  Others as you said are no doubt looking
>> at it from their rose colored glasses and implementing accordingly.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>>
>>
>> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
>> From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
>> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
>> Date: 06/01/2007 09:21AM
>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis D Hock wrote:
>> <snip>
>>     
>>> The reason for not iallowing the 1 and ten to complete according to the
>>>       
>> PSC is that everyone knows when you dial 1 it is long distance and this
>> sends the wrong information to the
>>     
>>> customer.  So better to block it.
>>>
>>> Dennis H.
>>>
>>>       
>> Except in IL, where 1 plus is REQUIRED for ALL 10 digit ( 11 digit ) calls
>> Probably other states as well.
>> What we get when technical decisions are allowed to be made by bureaucrats.
>>
>> John Novack
>>
>>
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From stfkerman at jps.net  Fri Jun  1 11:22:56 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:22:56 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <OF9BB65015.E1BB118B-ON852572ED.0036E75C-852572ED.0036E761@dteenergy.com>
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Message-ID: <466047E0.3040902@jps.net>

Here in NYC we have to dial 1+ for everything, local or toll. 

Originally, 212 served all 5 boroughs.  In the 80s they moved Brooklyn, 
Queens and Staten Island to  718.  After the remaining crossbar was 
retired, they shifted the Bronx from 212 to 718, leaving 212 for 
Manhattan only.  917 was assigned for pagers only throughout the entire 
area.

At this point 212 is overlayed with 646 and 347.  917 is now partially 
overlayed on 212 although it's mostly used for cellphones.  I'm not sure 
whether 347 and 917 are overlayed on 718 too or only overlayed on 212.  
There does not seem to be a simple way to find out without a lot of 
study of Telcodata listings.

It's a mess...

Steph

Dennis D Hock wrote:
> That could very well be.  Depends on the local calling area and where one
> is at.  Also seems like Verizon (GTE) was allowed to implement slightly
> different than att/SBC/Ameritech.  All in all a bit of  a headache.  Seems
> like it would be much easier to just move to ten digit dialing and be done
> with it. Or a the very least allow it to complete if it should and not
> block it based on some politcal decision.  The reason fro not iallowing the
> 1 and ten to complete according tot eh PSC is that everyone knows when you
> dial 1 it is long distance and this sends the wrong information to the
> customer.  So better to block it.
>
> Dennis H.
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 05/31/2007 09:37AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
>
> I could be mistaken but I think I my sister said that in the 989 NPA
> where she lives there are both 10 and 11 digit calls within the
> immediate surrounding part of the Saginaw-Bay City-Midland area.  Sounds
> like what you are describing.  She might have even said that there were
> cases where there were both 10 and 11 digit calls to the same exchange.
> I'm not sure about this second part.
>
> If that seems confusing, when they split eastern Long Island (Suffolk
> County) from 516 to 631 some years ago, they divided the 420 exchange
> serving Farmingdale into a 516 and 631 part.   Farmingdale straddles the
> Nassau-Suffolk County line.  Calls from outside the area only complete
> with the correct area code.  So it was impossible to determine which
> area code to dial.  One person I knew stayed with 516-420 while another
> ended up with a 631-420 number.   People within the same exchange have
> to dial the other area code to reach people on the other side of the
> county line.
>
> Maybe the county line runs through the CO building and they assigned all
> line equipments on one side of the line to 516 and those on the other to
> 631, reassigning people to different line equipment to match the
> geographical location of their line equipment with the side of the
> county line they are on.  Nothing would surprise me.
>
> SK
>
> Dennis D Hock wrote:
>   
>> I am not sure but suspect as John and others have indicated I'll bet it
>>     
> is
>   
>> working somewhere in the vast NANP.  In Michigan where I live we have
>> received extended local calling to any adjacent exchange that touches
>> yours.  Now one would think that would mean you could dial it as a seven
>> digit number. Nope guess again, and you can't dial it as a 1 plus ten
>> digit.  It can only be dialed as ten digits.  You think I would remember
>> when calling the Home Depot in the next town over but almost every time
>>     
> it
>   
>> takes me two or three tries to get it right.
>>
>> Dennis Hock
>>
>> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>>
>>
>> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
>> From: Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net>
>> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
>> Date: 05/30/2007 08:18AM
>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
>>
>> Aren't there areas of the country where 10-digit dialing is used without
>> 1+?  Or are do these only allow local or intra-LATA dialing to those few
>> nearby NPAs?
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> Dennis D Hock wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Yes 311 has been designated for non emergency access to ones supposed
>>>
>>>       
>> local
>>
>>     
>>> govt unit.  I think the confusion here is in calling 311 a NPA.  I
>>>
>>>       
>> believe
>>
>>     
>>> the Notes on the Network indicate that it and all n11 codes are really
>>>
>>>       
>> SAC
>>
>>     
>>> and have no real NPA designation.
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Fri Jun  1 11:21:37 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:21:37 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <46603ED6.9050500@rudholm.com>
References: <OF44886E79.7E955011-ON852572ED.004C11E8-852572ED.004C11EE@dteenergy.com>
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Mark Rudholm wrote:
> Maybe I have a southern California bias or something, but I never really understood the whole "1+ Toll Alerting" business.  I realize some people love it, but I always thought it was silly, 
>   
Historically, it was pretty much a requirement in Step offices to reach 
the toll operator or for DDD. Some locales with party lines would dial 
112x with the X designating the party on a given line
In the larger Bell cities ( Except LA for other historical reasons ) 
there was no 1+ dialing in the EM days
211 would get one to the toll operator, then later dialing 10 digits 
when the NPA was in the form of N0/1X would get directed properly
Things changed once we enter the electronic era and CLECs and NPA's with 
the form NXX
So, NO, it wasn't/isn't silly
> and now that long-distance is down in the 0-4 cents per minute range, is it really that big of a deal?
>   
I suppose that all depends on your perspective , calling needs and 
income level!
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 1+ dialing introduced to
> disambiguate out-of-npa calls when generalized (from NNX to NXX)
> office codes were first assigned back in the early 70s?  Back when NPAs were all N0/1X and office codes were all NNX, there were no O.C./npa collisions, so all calls could be dialed as 7D or 10D without ambiguity.
Only in panel/XBAR offices.
>   So the idea of 1+ = toll alerting seems like an artifact,
> not something by design.
>   
See above.
> Living in Los Angeles, where area codes are quite numerous, people have generally started just dialing 1+10D for all calls.  
LA was, in the EM era, all or almost all step, Historically due to the 
merging and buyout of independents, then I suspect due to the frugal 
nature of the PUC regarding Pacific Bell. At one point AT&T seriously 
wanted to rid itself of that unit due to the "frugal" nature of the 
California PUC. See "The Fall of the Bell System" for much more 
information on the corporate side of things.
> Given that,it seems to me that the 1 is now just anachronistic baggage, so for my systems, I've dropped it. 
Yet  several state PUC insist on dictating that it be used for toll, or 
ALL calls beyond 7 digits.
>  I just use 10D for all calls.  You can use 7D but there's a timeout.
>
> The telcos still require the 1, however.
>   
In many cases, this is dictated to them by the PUC, or whatever it is 
called in a given state.
Part of the current insanity. In MO, for example, the PUC dictated where 
a split was to be located, rather than growth patterns of the 
population. I believe the only thing that saved SBC was the decline in 
lines due to HSIA and release of 2nd lines along with the decline in FAX 
usage.
IMHO, once the US was all electronic, there should NEVER have been 
another split. Overlays cost everyone less, even though they require  10 
digit dialing in many cases. Intelligence in the switch could be used, 
but it is much easier for the user to just dial 10 digits for all local 
calls

> Also, in 310, which is scheduled for an overlay, 1+10D is now
> mandatory on *all* calls.  I understand the rationale here is that since the CLECs will be the ones primarily getting assignments in the new area code, the CPUC wanted to level they playing field by requiring 11D, thereby eliminating the preferability of 310 office codes.
>   
That makes little sense. 10 digit local calls, 11 digit toll calls is 
really the best solution. It helps the user determine toll vs local and 
simplifys switch translations.
Right now anyone traveling and not in the know can easily become frustrated.
Add to that the cell phone dialing requirements
My carrier requires 10 digits for ALL calls since my home LATA  has an 
overlay and requires it, adds the 1 towards the network and calls go 
through. Since all my cell calls are billed the same, there is no toll 
vs local issue or time of day issue, calls to other cells in the same 
carrier are free, so it is simply a minute issue .
The landline carriers and PUC's could learn from that.

John Novack


From mark at rudholm.com  Fri Jun  1 11:51:23 2007
From: mark at rudholm.com (Mark Rudholm)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:51:23 -0700
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <466042E8.2010601@jps.net>
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OK, so it was still a technical issue, not a toll alerting system
for customers.  So I think my opinion remains --meh on 1+ Toll
Alerting.

I remember going to Huntington Beach as a kid (late 70s, iirc)
and thinking "hey, Lee Vining is really far away and in the same
area code (back then, 714 stretched from Mexico to Lake Tahoe),
I'm going to dial it as a seven digit call and see what happens"
I got an intercept telling me I needed to dial a 1 first.  That
was General Telephone land though, so I didn't really take it
seriously.

Speaking of which, the other day I tried dialing some places
in Arizona that are in the Los Angeles LATA (#730) from my
payphone.  This *should* have worked, since it was intra-LATA.
Turns out some destinations work and some don't.  I asked the
operator why I couldn't make a coin paid call despite it being
intra-LATA.  She didn't really say anything useful.  I suspect
ACTS is just out of date.

Man, I'd really like to have my own real ACTS system.  I don't
have the room for a DMS200 or 4ESS, though.  :-)


Steph Kerman wrote:
> Areas that used 10D dialing before NXX office codes were introduced were 
> served by Panel, Crossbar or ESS.  These did indeed adopt the use of 1+ 
> to enable the CO to know whether to wait for 7 or 10 digits.  However 
> 1+10D dialing was always required in most areas served by SXS equipment 
> to immediately pass the call through to the toll office when a 10 digit 
> call was dialed.  So it is not correct that when all NPAs were N0/1X all 
> calls were dialed as 7D or 10D. 
> 
> Many SXS areas, in addition to requiring 1+10D dilaing also required 
> 1+7D dialing for short haul toll, for the same reason: to allow the toll 
> office to capture the dialed digits for toll billing.  Whether the 1 
> prefix was a requirement for regulatory reasons, it was a necessity for 
> equipment reasons.  1+ dialing was also sometimes used on common control 
> offices in areas with mixed SXS and common control equipment to achieve 
> uniform dialing practices.  But many areas that were served by common 
> control equipment used 7 digit dialing for local as well as short haul 
> toll, without a 1+ prefix to distinguish toll and local.
> 
> Steph
> 
> Mark Rudholm wrote:
>> Maybe I have a southern California bias or something, but I never
>> really understood the whole "1+ Toll Alerting" business.  I realize
>> some people love it, but I always thought it was silly, and now
>> that long-distance is down in the 0-4 cents per minute range, is
>> it really that big of a deal?
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 1+ dialing introduced to
>> disambiguate out-of-npa calls when generalized (from NNX to NXX)
>> office codes were first assigned back in the early 70s?  Back when NPAs
>> were all N0/1X and office codes were all NNX, there were no O.C./npa
>> collisions, so all calls could be dialed as 7D or 10D without
>> ambiguity.  So the idea of 1+ = toll alerting seems like an artifact,
>> not something by design.
>>
>> Living in Los Angeles, where area codes are quite numerous, people
>> have generally started just dialing 1+10D for all calls.  Given that,
>> it seems to me that the 1 is now just anachronistic baggage, so for
>> my systems, I've dropped it.  I just use 10D for all calls.  You
>> can use 7D but there's a timeout.
>>
>> The telcos still require the 1, however.
>>
>> Also, in 310, which is scheduled for an overlay, 1+10D is now
>> mandatory on *all* calls.  I understand the rationale here is that
>> since the CLECs will be the ones primarily getting assignments in
>> the new area code, the CPUC wanted to level they playing field by
>> requiring 11D, thereby eliminating the preferability of 310 office
>> codes.
>>
>> But anyway, meh on 1+ toll alerting, I say.

From mark at rudholm.com  Fri Jun  1 12:04:02 2007
From: mark at rudholm.com (Mark Rudholm)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:04:02 -0700
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <46604791.1080809@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <OF44886E79.7E955011-ON852572ED.004C11E8-852572ED.004C11EE@dteenergy.com>
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Message-ID: <46605182.6010308@rudholm.com>

John Novack wrote:
> 
> 
> Mark Rudholm wrote:
>> Maybe I have a southern California bias or something, but I never
>> really understood the whole "1+ Toll Alerting" business.  I realize
>> some people love it, but I always thought it was silly,   
> Historically, it was pretty much a requirement in Step offices to reach
> the toll operator or for DDD. Some locales with party lines would dial
> 112x with the X designating the party on a given line
> In the larger Bell cities ( Except LA for other historical reasons )
> there was no 1+ dialing in the EM days
> 211 would get one to the toll operator, then later dialing 10 digits
> when the NPA was in the form of N0/1X would get directed properly
> Things changed once we enter the electronic era and CLECs and NPA's with
> the form NXX
> So, NO, it wasn't/isn't silly

Well, I think it's silly *now*.  Maybe I'm terribly wealthy or
something, but really, a couple cents is down in the noise.
I think I misplace more money that that every month.

And when does 1+ toll alerting kick in?  Zone 3? beyond Zone 3?
inter-LATA?

> LA was, in the EM era, all or almost all step, Historically due to the
> merging and buyout of independents, then I suspect due to the frugal
> nature of the PUC regarding Pacific Bell. At one point AT&T seriously
> wanted to rid itself of that unit due to the "frugal" nature of the
> California PUC. See "The Fall of the Bell System" for much more
> information on the corporate side of things.
>> Given that,it seems to me that the 1 is now just anachronistic
>> baggage, so for my systems, I've dropped it. 
> Yet  several state PUC insist on dictating that it be used for toll, or
> ALL calls beyond 7 digits.

My telephonic memory starts around 1976, at that point,
we had just been cut over to a 1A.  The CO also had
step and xbar, but I was lucky.

>>  I just use 10D for all calls.  You can use 7D but there's a timeout.
>>
>> The telcos still require the 1, however.
>>   
> In many cases, this is dictated to them by the PUC, or whatever it is
> called in a given state.

Fortunately, MarkTel doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of the CPUC :)

> Part of the current insanity. In MO, for example, the PUC dictated where
> a split was to be located, rather than growth patterns of the
> population. I believe the only thing that saved SBC was the decline in
> lines due to HSIA and release of 2nd lines along with the decline in FAX
> usage.

Yeah, and going to 1000 block number assignments helped provide
relief for 310 as well.  The overlay for it was originally scheduled
for 1999.

> IMHO, once the US was all electronic, there should NEVER have been
> another split. Overlays cost everyone less, even though they require  10
> digit dialing in many cases. Intelligence in the switch could be used,
> but it is much easier for the user to just dial 10 digits for all local
> calls

I'm a huge proponent of overlays, particularly in urban areas.
The phone number my parents had since 1968 was recently assigned
to a law firm downtown.  :(

>> Also, in 310, which is scheduled for an overlay, 1+10D is now
>> mandatory on *all* calls.  I understand the rationale here is that
>> since the CLECs will be the ones primarily getting assignments in the
>> new area code, the CPUC wanted to level they playing field by
>> requiring 11D, thereby eliminating the preferability of 310 office codes.
>>   
> That makes little sense. 10 digit local calls, 11 digit toll calls is
> really the best solution. It helps the user determine toll vs local and
> simplifys switch translations.

Yeah, I had to train my customers (my parents and a couple of friends)
to use 10D on all calls.  It took them a while to give up the 1+ habit,
but eventually they got used to and liked it.

> Right now anyone traveling and not in the know can easily become
> frustrated.
> Add to that the cell phone dialing requirements
> My carrier requires 10 digits for ALL calls since my home LATA  has an
> overlay and requires it, adds the 1 towards the network and calls go
> through. Since all my cell calls are billed the same, there is no toll
> vs local issue or time of day issue, calls to other cells in the same
> carrier are free, so it is simply a minute issue .
> The landline carriers and PUC's could learn from that.

My cellphone is in 310, so 10D or 11D is required on all calls

I have numbers in my cellphone's phone book programmed as
"+1 NPA NXX XXXX" so that when I travel internationally,
it just works.

From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Jun  1 12:06:55 2007
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:06:55 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
In-Reply-To: <46604791.1080809@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <46603ED6.9050500@rudholm.com>
	<OF44886E79.7E955011-ON852572ED.004C11E8-852572ED.004C11EE@dteenergy.com>
	<46603ED6.9050500@rudholm.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070601125934.00bb79d8@incoming.verizon.net>

At 6/1/2007 12:21 PM -0400, John Novack wrote:
>That makes little sense. 10 digit local calls, 11 digit toll calls is
>really the best solution. It helps the user determine toll vs local and
>simplifys switch translations.
>Right now anyone traveling and not in the know can easily become frustrated.
>Add to that the cell phone dialing requirements

I experienced that first-hand this week.  My uncle and his 13-yr-old 
grandson were visiting from Texas this week.  I was showing the 13-yr-old 
my step switch (which he thought was really cool, and he could actually 
operate a rotary dial phone w/o instruction!) and after learning he could 
dial out to the PSTN from it, immediately tried to phone his folks back 
home through it.  Except that being from the Dallas/Ft Worth Metroplex and 
their all-over 10D dialing, he was trying to phone home w/o the leading 1+ 
and he couldn't figure out why he couldn't get through.  Once I told him 
that he had to add the 1+ the call, of course, went through.

Doug.


From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 12:16:36 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:16:36 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OFEA5B50D5.ACD90206-ON852572ED.005EE79A-852572ED.005EE79F@dteenergy.com>

Thanks i'll take a look and have to acquire it no doubt.  Thank you for the
input.

Dennis

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From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 10:26AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

On 6/1/07, Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com> wrote:
> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis H

Looks like about $30 on eBay. I forget exactly what kind of memory is
needed for the MC3810, I think it's a parity SIMM. However, if you
search for mc3810 on eBay, there are a ton of listings of "64M Memory
Module for MC3810" for about $30 each.

I'm pretty sure you need the 64M of RAM to run any version of IOS that
supports SIP on the 3810, but I could be wrong about that.


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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 12:18:29 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:18:29 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OFD345CDD4.124929C7-ON852572ED.005F13B6-852572ED.005F13BC@dteenergy.com>

I believe I have all the parts and ports I require only the memory is in
querstion maybe.

Dennis H.

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From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 11:14AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I am also a LITTLE confused about all of this
The unit I ( sometimes ) have working has 2 replaceable memory modules
One is marked SMART and then a long part number
Is this the flash memory?  The NVram?
Another, shorter module is marked 64MB sync 125Mhz
This is the main memory?

Clearly one needs the 16 meg flash as the SIP image is 13 meg
All old files have to be offloaded and deleted before the SIP image can
be loaded

There are often 3810's that show up on eBay, but not all will allow this
configuration
Not all have all the cards needed either, and purchasing the AVM
daughterboard alone is $60, then up to 6 modules.
Finding one properly equipped can often be the lowest cost.

John Novack

Rusty Dekema wrote:
> On 6/1/07, Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com> wrote:
>
>> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dennis H
>>
>
> Looks like about $30 on eBay. I forget exactly what kind of memory is
> needed for the MC3810, I think it's a parity SIMM. However, if you
> search for mc3810 on eBay, there are a ton of listings of "64M Memory
> Module for MC3810" for about $30 each.
>
> I'm pretty sure you need the 64M of RAM to run any version of IOS that
> supports SIP on the 3810, but I could be wrong about that.
>
>
> Rusty
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From jjones3601 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 13:39:36 2007
From: jjones3601 at yahoo.com (john jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <20070601183936.27063.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The DRAM is usually provided with 2 slots, so Cisco can sell you a base unit with a respectable list price, and then gouge the hell of of you for memory upgrades.  However, in your case, the shorter module is the DRAM.  Is there only 1 short slot?

John

----- Original Message ----
From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 11:14:57 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I am also a LITTLE confused about all of this
The unit I ( sometimes ) have working has 2 replaceable memory modules
One is marked SMART and then a long part number
Is this the flash memory?  The NVram?
Another, shorter module is marked 64MB sync 125Mhz
This is the main memory?

Clearly one needs the 16 meg flash as the SIP image is 13 meg
All old files have to be offloaded and deleted before the SIP image can 
be loaded

There are often 3810's that show up on eBay, but not all will allow this 
configuration
Not all have all the cards needed either, and purchasing the AVM 
daughterboard alone is $60, then up to 6 modules.
Finding one properly equipped can often be the lowest cost.

John Novack

Rusty Dekema wrote:
> On 6/1/07, Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com> wrote:
>   
>> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dennis H
>>     
>
> Looks like about $30 on eBay. I forget exactly what kind of memory is
> needed for the MC3810, I think it's a parity SIMM. However, if you
> search for mc3810 on eBay, there are a ton of listings of "64M Memory
> Module for MC3810" for about $30 each.
>
> I'm pretty sure you need the 64M of RAM to run any version of IOS that
> supports SIP on the 3810, but I could be wrong about that.
>
>
> Rusty
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From jjones3601 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 13:42:30 2007
From: jjones3601 at yahoo.com (john jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:42:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <774310.53649.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

No,  It just wasn't in the list of specs you sent.  I think we've received 3810's from the same guy and they seem to be max'd out.


Just power it up to see.

Let me know if you need a console cable.

John

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 9:48:46 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark

Thanks,

Dennis H

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To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 08:37AM
cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of an
upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.

John

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810


Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.

These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.

At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
from.

Hope this helps all.

Dennis Hock

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.

On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
port in slot 1/6.

To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command

BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
dtmf   touch-tone dialer
mf     mf-tone dialer
pulse  pulse dialer



Just pick the one you want.

The E&M interface is exactly the same.

The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!

John


----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
<voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
to
use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
SxS.

L

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!

JN


John Novack wrote:
> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
> little with the Cisco 3810
> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 13:48:46 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:48:46 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OF6C8F91F1.687B3827-ON852572ED.00675779-852572ED.0067577E@dteenergy.com>

OK, don't need the console cable as I already have one.  Are there any
parcticular settings to setup the console port (probably should look in the
book).

Dennis

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To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 02:42PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

No,  It just wasn't in the list of specs you sent.  I think we've received
3810's from the same guy and they seem to be max'd out.


Just power it up to see.

Let me know if you need a console cable.

John

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 9:48:46 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark

Thanks,

Dennis H

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 08:37AM
cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of an
upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.

John

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810


Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.

These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.

At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
from.

Hope this helps all.

Dennis Hock

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.

On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
port in slot 1/6.

To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command

BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
dtmf   touch-tone dialer
mf     mf-tone dialer
pulse  pulse dialer



Just pick the one you want.

The E&M interface is exactly the same.

The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!

John


----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
<voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
to
use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
SxS.

L

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!

JN


John Novack wrote:
> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
> little with the Cisco 3810
> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>
> John Novack
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From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Fri Jun  1 13:52:04 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:52:04 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
In-Reply-To: <20070601183936.27063.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070601183936.27063.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46606AD4.4000109@stromberg-carlson.org>



john jones wrote:
> The DRAM is usually provided with 2 slots, so Cisco can sell you a base unit with a respectable list price, and then gouge the hell of of you for memory upgrades.  However, in your case, the shorter module is the DRAM.  Is there only 1 short slot?
>
> John
>
>   
Correct.
 One short, one longer.

In troubleshooting the other unit, I swapped these modules, which seemed 
to put the working one into a tailspin of sorts

I can no longer call out from the FXS ports, so when I can, I  will 
revisit that, as it WAS working!

MORE FUN than any one person should have - NOT!

John Novack

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 11:14:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> I am also a LITTLE confused about all of this
> The unit I ( sometimes ) have working has 2 replaceable memory modules
> One is marked SMART and then a long part number
> Is this the flash memory?  The NVram?
> Another, shorter module is marked 64MB sync 125Mhz
> This is the main memory?
>
> Clearly one needs the 16 meg flash as the SIP image is 13 meg
> All old files have to be offloaded and deleted before the SIP image can 
> be loaded
>
> There are often 3810's that show up on eBay, but not all will allow this 
> configuration
> Not all have all the cards needed either, and purchasing the AVM 
> daughterboard alone is $60, then up to 6 modules.
> Finding one properly equipped can often be the lowest cost.
>
> John Novack
>
> Rusty Dekema wrote:
>   
>> On 6/1/07, Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com> wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dennis H
>>>     
>>>       
>> Looks like about $30 on eBay. I forget exactly what kind of memory is
>> needed for the MC3810, I think it's a parity SIMM. However, if you
>> search for mc3810 on eBay, there are a ton of listings of "64M Memory
>> Module for MC3810" for about $30 each.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure you need the 64M of RAM to run any version of IOS that
>> supports SIP on the 3810, but I could be wrong about that.
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>     
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> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>
>
>
>   

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Fri Jun  1 13:55:15 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:55:15 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
In-Reply-To: <OF6C8F91F1.687B3827-ON852572ED.00675779-852572ED.0067577E@dteenergy.com>
References: <OF6C8F91F1.687B3827-ON852572ED.00675779-852572ED.0067577E@dteenergy.com>
Message-ID: <46606B93.4010304@stromberg-carlson.org>

I used hyperterminal from a windows machine set to 9600,n,8,1 and NO 
flow control

Once you get the Ethernet port set up you can telnet to the box.
John Jones is the highest authority on this though.
 From my experiences, cut and pasting of the commands doesn't work well, 
due to lack of any flow control. That seems to be the way Cisco set up 
the console port!

John Novack


Dennis D Hock wrote:
> OK, don't need the console cable as I already have one.  Are there any
> parcticular settings to setup the console port (probably should look in the
> book).
>
> Dennis
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 06/01/2007 02:42PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> No,  It just wasn't in the list of specs you sent.  I think we've received
> 3810's from the same guy and they seem to be max'd out.
>
>
> Just power it up to see.
>
> Let me know if you need a console cable.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 9:48:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis H
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 06/01/2007 08:37AM
> cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of an
> upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
>
> Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
> tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
> summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
> port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
> flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
> serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
> Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.
>
> These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
> one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
> they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
> very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
> sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
> sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.
>
> At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
> from.
>
> Hope this helps all.
>
> Dennis Hock
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
> jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.
>
> On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
> port in slot 1/6.
>
> To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command
>
> BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
> BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
> dtmf   touch-tone dialer
> mf     mf-tone dialer
> pulse  pulse dialer
>
>
>
> Just pick the one you want.
>
> The E&M interface is exactly the same.
>
> The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
> FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
> To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
> to
> use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
> SxS.
>
> L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> John Novack
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!
>
> JN
>
>
> John Novack wrote:
>   
>> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
>> little with the Cisco 3810
>> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
>> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
>> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
>> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
>> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
>> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
>> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
>> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>>
>> John Novack
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>>
>>     
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From hockd at dteenergy.com  Fri Jun  1 14:13:26 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:13:26 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <OF9251DB98.C62AE911-ON852572ED.006999CC-852572ED.006999DB@dteenergy.com>

Got it thanks.  I figured JJ was the word as we had some discussions before
I opted to invest in this one.  It was his patient tutelage which convinced
me.

Dennis

-----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----


To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
Date: 06/01/2007 02:55PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I used hyperterminal from a windows machine set to 9600,n,8,1 and NO
flow control

Once you get the Ethernet port set up you can telnet to the box.
John Jones is the highest authority on this though.
>From my experiences, cut and pasting of the commands doesn't work well,
due to lack of any flow control. That seems to be the way Cisco set up
the console port!

John Novack


Dennis D Hock wrote:
> OK, don't need the console cable as I already have one.  Are there any
> parcticular settings to setup the console port (probably should look in
the
> book).
>
> Dennis
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 06/01/2007 02:42PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> No,  It just wasn't in the list of specs you sent.  I think we've
received
> 3810's from the same guy and they seem to be max'd out.
>
>
> Just power it up to see.
>
> Let me know if you need a console cable.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 9:48:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis H
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 06/01/2007 08:37AM
> cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of
an
> upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
>
> Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
> tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
> summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
> port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board
Sys
> flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
> serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
> Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.
>
> These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
> one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far
was
> they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was
however
> very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.
It
> sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
> sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.
>
> At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to
choose
> from.
>
> Hope this helps all.
>
> Dennis Hock
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
> jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.
>
> On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a
FXO
> port in slot 1/6.
>
> To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command
>
> BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
> BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
> dtmf   touch-tone dialer
> mf     mf-tone dialer
> pulse  pulse dialer
>
>
>
> Just pick the one you want.
>
> The E&M interface is exactly the same.
>
> The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
> FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
> To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
Switches
> <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
> to
> use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
> SxS.
>
> L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> John Novack
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!
>
> JN
>
>
> John Novack wrote:
>
>> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
>> little with the Cisco 3810
>> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
>> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
>> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
>> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
>> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
>> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
>> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
>> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>>
>> John Novack
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>>
>>
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From lee at spenadel.com  Fri Jun  1 14:24:39 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:24:39 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] You're Welcome
Message-ID: <00dd01c7a482$7fa51ee0$7eef5ca0$@com>

If anyone is visiting Cape Cod this summer, please contact me if you would
like to see my telephone collection/switching systems.  I'd love to show it
off.

 

Regards

Lee

 

 

 

 

 

If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights work?

 


From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Fri Jun  1 14:29:00 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:29:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810, Linksys Router and Call Data Records
Message-ID: <31580815.1488161180726140844.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>

Here's a variation on a theme:

My 3810 has been working for a couple of months now and I am very impressed.  The sound quality is much better than anything obtained with the "PC based" FXS and FXO boards.  Outbound and inbound signalling have been flawless and it sits nicely in the equipment rack under the polar relay test panel.

Once I got the 3810 running, there was absolutely no need to host any IO in the Asterisk processor.  Having found out about an alternative Asterisk platform from Mr. Jones, I figured it was time to get rid of the PC completely and conserve power.  The Linksys router (a WRTSL54GS) has just enough space to run a minimal version of Linux and Asterisk.  The best part about the WRTSL54GS is that it has a USB port which allows for the use of a flash memory to hold all the sound files and logs.  (With no moving parts!)  I believe the entire power requirement is a measly 5 watts.

To address several operating problems, I upgraded the Linux to the latest version they had for the router as well as Asterisk to 1.4.  Unfortunately, 1.4 just doesn't stream audio data as well as a larger processor so I eventually went back to 1.2 with better results.  (The operating problems eventually turned out to be related to other issues, since resolved, that had nothing to do with the Linux or Asterisk versions.)  As a basic switch, it works fine.  There is no voice mail to speak of and the lack of an internal Zaptel timer limits a few other functions that I don't use.

This all leads to one question:

There is absolutely no more room to install anything so I can't install a PHP server or any database software.  All the CDR viewers I find need PHP and MySQL installed on the server to work.  Does anyone know of something that would run on a Windows machine and simply read the shared CDR file that "lives" on the Asterisk box?

PDW
 


From ikj1234i at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 15:10:47 2007
From: ikj1234i at yahoo.com (ikjtel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:10:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Adtran outpulsing
In-Reply-To: <465FA2DD.2030501@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <20070601201047.68432.qmail@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org> wrote:

> I have a TDM400 still in my system,  ( Max, you DID
> mean a TDM400 and 
> not a Digium T1 card, didn't you?? )

Yep.  My guess is that you won't have the erratic
pulsing with the TDM400 - but it would be good to know
for sure so as to eliminate one more variable...

Max


       
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From mark at rudholm.com  Fri Jun  1 15:22:13 2007
From: mark at rudholm.com (Mark Rudholm)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:22:13 -0700
Subject: [VoIP] Adtran outpulsing
In-Reply-To: <20070601201047.68432.qmail@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20070601201047.68432.qmail@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46607FF5.7070606@rudholm.com>

ikjtel wrote:
> --- John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org> wrote:
> 
>> I have a TDM400 still in my system,  ( Max, you DID
>> mean a TDM400 and 
>> not a Digium T1 card, didn't you?? )
> 
> Yep.  My guess is that you won't have the erratic
> pulsing with the TDM400 - but it would be good to know
> for sure so as to eliminate one more variable...

That reminds me, I recently upgraded from a TDM400
(1 FXO + 3 FXS) to a TDM800 (1 FXO + 5 FXS).  If
anyone wants the displaced hardware; TDM400 + 2 FXS
modules, let me know.  I'll sell it cheap, otherwise
it's going up on ebay starting around 190$ (which
seems to be the going price).

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Fri Jun  1 15:26:26 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:26:26 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810, Linksys Router and Call Data Records
In-Reply-To: <31580815.1488161180726140844.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <31580815.1488161180726140844.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <466080F2.3050605@stromberg-carlson.org>

Curious, since Paul Will sent this, not me!!
Has he broken into my Win2K machine??

The CDR that NORMAL Asterisk writes can be read by Excell.
Is there even a CDR written with your White Russian version??

NOT PAUL WILLS!

John Novack wrote:
> Here's a variation on a theme:
>
> My 3810 has been working for a couple of months now and I am very impressed.  The sound quality is much better than anything obtained with the "PC based" FXS and FXO boards.  Outbound and inbound signalling have been flawless and it sits nicely in the equipment rack under the polar relay test panel.
>
> Once I got the 3810 running, there was absolutely no need to host any IO in the Asterisk processor.  Having found out about an alternative Asterisk platform from Mr. Jones, I figured it was time to get rid of the PC completely and conserve power.  The Linksys router (a WRTSL54GS) has just enough space to run a minimal version of Linux and Asterisk.  The best part about the WRTSL54GS is that it has a USB port which allows for the use of a flash memory to hold all the sound files and logs.  (With no moving parts!)  I believe the entire power requirement is a measly 5 watts.
>
> To address several operating problems, I upgraded the Linux to the latest version they had for the router as well as Asterisk to 1.4.  Unfortunately, 1.4 just doesn't stream audio data as well as a larger processor so I eventually went back to 1.2 with better results.  (The operating problems eventually turned out to be related to other issues, since resolved, that had nothing to do with the Linux or Asterisk versions.)  As a basic switch, it works fine.  There is no voice mail to speak of and the lack of an internal Zaptel timer limits a few other functions that I don't use.
>
> This all leads to one question:
>
> There is absolutely no more room to install anything so I can't install a PHP server or any database software.  All the CDR viewers I find need PHP and MySQL installed on the server to work.  Does anyone know of something that would run on a Windows machine and simply read the shared CDR file that "lives" on the Asterisk box?
>
> PDW
>  
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
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From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Fri Jun  1 15:42:32 2007
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:42:32 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810, Linksys Router and Call Data Records
References: <31580815.1488161180726140844.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>
	<466080F2.3050605@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <001401c7a48e$61f69610$0301a8c0@Main>

I sent that last one via the Verizon web access replying to a message that 
John originally wrote.  I have no idea how the Verizon webmail site can swap 
a reply address like that.

In response to John's comments:

1) The CDR I get is very readable by Excell.  I am just looking for 
asthetics.  Perhaps an Excell macro is all I need.

2) The CDR is the same as any other Asterisk.  That's one of the things that 
one should move to the USB flash drive to save space.

PDW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Novack" <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
To: <pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog 
Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810, Linksys Router and Call Data Records


> Curious, since Paul Will sent this, not me!!
> Has he broken into my Win2K machine??
>
> The CDR that NORMAL Asterisk writes can be read by Excell.
> Is there even a CDR written with your White Russian version??
>
> NOT PAUL WILLS!
>
> John Novack wrote:
>> Here's a variation on a theme:
>>
>> My 3810 has been working for a couple of months now and I am very 
>> impressed.  The sound quality is much better than anything obtained with 
>> the "PC based" FXS and FXO boards.  Outbound and inbound signalling have 
>> been flawless and it sits nicely in the equipment rack under the polar 
>> relay test panel.
>>
>> Once I got the 3810 running, there was absolutely no need to host any IO 
>> in the Asterisk processor.  Having found out about an alternative 
>> Asterisk platform from Mr. Jones, I figured it was time to get rid of the 
>> PC completely and conserve power.  The Linksys router (a WRTSL54GS) has 
>> just enough space to run a minimal version of Linux and Asterisk.  The 
>> best part about the WRTSL54GS is that it has a USB port which allows for 
>> the use of a flash memory to hold all the sound files and logs.  (With no 
>> moving parts!)  I believe the entire power requirement is a measly 5 
>> watts.
>>
>> To address several operating problems, I upgraded the Linux to the latest 
>> version they had for the router as well as Asterisk to 1.4. 
>> Unfortunately, 1.4 just doesn't stream audio data as well as a larger 
>> processor so I eventually went back to 1.2 with better results.  (The 
>> operating problems eventually turned out to be related to other issues, 
>> since resolved, that had nothing to do with the Linux or Asterisk 
>> versions.)  As a basic switch, it works fine.  There is no voice mail to 
>> speak of and the lack of an internal Zaptel timer limits a few other 
>> functions that I don't use.
>>
>> This all leads to one question:
>>
>> There is absolutely no more room to install anything so I can't install a 
>> PHP server or any database software.  All the CDR viewers I find need PHP 
>> and MySQL installed on the server to work.  Does anyone know of something 
>> that would run on a Windows machine and simply read the shared CDR file 
>> that "lives" on the Asterisk box?
>>
>> PDW


From jjones3601 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 16:55:34 2007
From: jjones3601 at yahoo.com (john jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:55:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
Message-ID: <221141.35344.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oh yeah,

I forgot about flow control.

I really need to put together a quick document on getting these things going.

If you set up minimal commands via the async console port and then switch to telnet, flow control (and cut and paste) work much better.

John



----- Original Message ----
From: John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 2:55:15 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810

I used hyperterminal from a windows machine set to 9600,n,8,1 and NO 
flow control

Once you get the Ethernet port set up you can telnet to the box.
John Jones is the highest authority on this though.
 From my experiences, cut and pasting of the commands doesn't work well, 
due to lack of any flow control. That seems to be the way Cisco set up 
the console port!

John Novack


Dennis D Hock wrote:
> OK, don't need the console cable as I already have one.  Are there any
> parcticular settings to setup the console port (probably should look in the
> book).
>
> Dennis
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 06/01/2007 02:42PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> No,  It just wasn't in the list of specs you sent.  I think we've received
> 3810's from the same guy and they seem to be max'd out.
>
>
> Just power it up to see.
>
> Let me know if you need a console cable.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 9:48:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> John, that is to say I don't have it???  Any idea the cost??  ballpark
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis H
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 06/01/2007 08:37AM
> cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> You also want to make sure you get 64M of DRAM, or factor in the cost of an
> upgrade if it isn't equipped that way from the beginning.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dennis D Hock <hockd at dteenergy.com>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Cc: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 5:01:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
>
> Lee and others.  the person I purchased the 3810 from was Chris at West
> tech recyclers out west.  He is at chrisk at westechrecyclers.com.  A short
> summary of the unit shows it has 1 serial interface, I channelized T1/PRI
> port, 256K non volatile config memory, 16384K bytes of processor board Sys
> flash (AMD29F016), 1 2DSP High perfoprmance Compression Module (v01.A0, 2
> serial (sync/async) network interface. It also has a combo Analog Voice
> Module containign 4 FXS and 2 FXO.
>
> These folks were very easy to do business with.  I purchased two units (
> one for me, one for a fellow at work).  The only problem we had so far was
> they seemed to have lost the order in their shipping dept.  It was however
> very quickly made right when I hadn't received the units and inquired.  It
> sounded like they had this package and had lost the address it was to be
> sent to.  I would have no problem using them again.
>
> At the time he had a selection of these and of course other units to choose
> from.
>
> Hope this helps all.
>
> Dennis Hock
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>
>
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>,
> jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
> From: john jones <jjones3601 at yahoo.com>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 05/31/2007 07:39PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> The FXO port supports DTMF, MF, and pulse dialing.
>
> On one of my 3810's, ( I have routers like you guys have phones) has a FXO
> port in slot 1/6.
>
> To change the out-pulsing mode, use the following command
>
> BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial
> BatPhone(config-voiceport)#dial-type ?
> dtmf   touch-tone dialer
> mf     mf-tone dialer
> pulse  pulse dialer
>
>
>
> Just pick the one you want.
>
> The E&M interface is exactly the same.
>
> The FXS port supports DTMF and pulse dialing.  I've never tried MF on an
> FXS port and I'm not going to try it now!
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
> To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:14:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> So was I.  How much was it?  I'm wondering if that would be a nice device
> to
> use for FXO in lieu of the Adtran given the outpulsing problem toward my
> SxS.
>
> L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> John Novack
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:10 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Cisco 3810
>
> I see Russ Price is awake this late to enjoy my Cisco!
>
> JN
>
>
> John Novack wrote:
>   
>> On a lighter note, with John Jones expert help, I have been working a
>> little with the Cisco 3810
>> Reloaded with SIP software, the box can be equipped with 6 ports, in any
>> mix, of FXS, FXO or E&M circuits.
>> Paul Wills is using one for his switch and ANI.
>> I have mine on line right now set up for several foreign Ringback tones.
>> Though it may not be available at all times, give it a call at 666-3101
>> through 3104 for Cisco's electronic version of some other than North
>> American precise tones. UK, RU, EG and JP
>> No phones connected, so one can call at odd hours.
>>
>> John Novack
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