[VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311

Fri Jun 1 11:22:56 CDT 2007

Here in NYC we have to dial 1+ for everything, local or toll. 

Originally, 212 served all 5 boroughs.  In the 80s they moved Brooklyn, 
Queens and Staten Island to  718.  After the remaining crossbar was 
retired, they shifted the Bronx from 212 to 718, leaving 212 for 
Manhattan only.  917 was assigned for pagers only throughout the entire 
area.

At this point 212 is overlayed with 646 and 347.  917 is now partially 
overlayed on 212 although it's mostly used for cellphones.  I'm not sure 
whether 347 and 917 are overlayed on 718 too or only overlayed on 212.  
There does not seem to be a simple way to find out without a lot of 
study of Telcodata listings.

It's a mess...

Steph

Dennis D Hock wrote:
> That could very well be.  Depends on the local calling area and where one
> is at.  Also seems like Verizon (GTE) was allowed to implement slightly
> different than att/SBC/Ameritech.  All in all a bit of  a headache.  Seems
> like it would be much easier to just move to ten digit dialing and be done
> with it. Or a the very least allow it to complete if it should and not
> block it based on some politcal decision.  The reason fro not iallowing the
> 1 and ten to complete according tot eh PSC is that everyone knows when you
> dial 1 it is long distance and this sends the wrong information to the
> customer.  So better to block it.
>
> Dennis H.
>
> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
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> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
> From: Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net>
> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
> Date: 05/31/2007 09:37AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
>
> I could be mistaken but I think I my sister said that in the 989 NPA
> where she lives there are both 10 and 11 digit calls within the
> immediate surrounding part of the Saginaw-Bay City-Midland area.  Sounds
> like what you are describing.  She might have even said that there were
> cases where there were both 10 and 11 digit calls to the same exchange.
> I'm not sure about this second part.
>
> If that seems confusing, when they split eastern Long Island (Suffolk
> County) from 516 to 631 some years ago, they divided the 420 exchange
> serving Farmingdale into a 516 and 631 part.   Farmingdale straddles the
> Nassau-Suffolk County line.  Calls from outside the area only complete
> with the correct area code.  So it was impossible to determine which
> area code to dial.  One person I knew stayed with 516-420 while another
> ended up with a 631-420 number.   People within the same exchange have
> to dial the other area code to reach people on the other side of the
> county line.
>
> Maybe the county line runs through the CO building and they assigned all
> line equipments on one side of the line to 516 and those on the other to
> 631, reassigning people to different line equipment to match the
> geographical location of their line equipment with the side of the
> county line they are on.  Nothing would surprise me.
>
> SK
>
> Dennis D Hock wrote:
>   
>> I am not sure but suspect as John and others have indicated I'll bet it
>>     
> is
>   
>> working somewhere in the vast NANP.  In Michigan where I live we have
>> received extended local calling to any adjacent exchange that touches
>> yours.  Now one would think that would mean you could dial it as a seven
>> digit number. Nope guess again, and you can't dial it as a 1 plus ten
>> digit.  It can only be dialed as ten digits.  You think I would remember
>> when calling the Home Depot in the next town over but almost every time
>>     
> it
>   
>> takes me two or three tries to get it right.
>>
>> Dennis Hock
>>
>> -----voip-bounces at ckts.info wrote: -----
>>
>>
>> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
>> From: Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net>
>> Sent by: voip-bounces at ckts.info
>> Date: 05/30/2007 08:18AM
>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Numbering - existing use of 311
>>
>> Aren't there areas of the country where 10-digit dialing is used without
>> 1+?  Or are do these only allow local or intra-LATA dialing to those few
>> nearby NPAs?
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> Dennis D Hock wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Yes 311 has been designated for non emergency access to ones supposed
>>>
>>>       
>> local
>>
>>     
>>> govt unit.  I think the confusion here is in calling 311 a NPA.  I
>>>
>>>       
>> believe
>>
>>     
>>> the Notes on the Network indicate that it and all n11 codes are really
>>>
>>>       
>> SAC
>>
>>     
>>> and have no real NPA designation.
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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