From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar  1 07:11:22 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:11:22 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] 0XX and 1XX codes
Message-ID: <000701c75c03$1c12cd40$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
I just modified my extensions.conf to allow for dialing office codes
beginning with 0 and 1 on CNET, just wondering if there were any 'secret'
things there. I did try some obvious things like 052, 059-1121, 141-1212,
etc. and found nothing. Probably there's nothing in any of 000-199, but I
figured I'd at least give it a try. Heh.
Jayson.


From david at josephson.com  Fri Mar  2 20:43:43 2007
From: david at josephson.com (David Josephson)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:43:43 -0800
Subject: [VoIP] Paging Greg Blakely
Message-ID: <45E8E0DF.7090604@josephson.com>

I think that my Asterisk-to-crossbar switch is working, and should be 
accessible from CNET except that the IP address in Greg's database is no 
longer current. I have an email and phone messages in to Greg but I 
guess he's busy somewhere else.

Making a SIP call to 155523XX at 66.92.1.214 should connect you with 
station XX of my crossbar switch, a WE Switching System 400. 22 rings 
the desk here, 59 is always busy. 155522XX rings station XX of the 
Merlin Legend system. Outgoing from the xbar is waiting until I have 
trunks working from the xbar, then I can make a rotary-dial VoIP call.

Steph has asked for a diagram of the call flow here (going, as it does, 
from Asterisk through a Merlin Legend for tone to pulse conversion). 
That's forthcoming. I already had that working so pulse dial from the 
Asterisk was not needed -- and the Merlin cuts through the audio 
immediately so you can hear the dialtone burst, outpulsing and ringing 
in real time. There is also a photo of the system at nobell.altaphon.com

--
David Josephson

From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Fri Mar  2 21:16:10 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:16:10 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] Paging Greg Blakely
In-Reply-To: <45E8E0DF.7090604@josephson.com>
References: <45E8E0DF.7090604@josephson.com>
Message-ID: <20070302211610.xz615bdmjoww8wwk@mail.shaneyoung.com>

He could be stuck in the snow, we've had a bit of it here in the last week :)

Quoting David Josephson <david at josephson.com>:

> I think that my Asterisk-to-crossbar switch is working, and should be
> accessible from CNET except that the IP address in Greg's database is no
> longer current. I have an email and phone messages in to Greg but I
> guess he's busy somewhere else.
>

--Shane
+1-821-7311 CNET



From kxt at fubegra.net  Fri Mar  2 21:31:08 2007
From: kxt at fubegra.net (Russ Price)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:31:08 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] More Patches
Message-ID: <45E8EBFC.6070808@fubegra.net>

I have another patch set up on <http://cnet.fubegra.net/> with the 
following:

* A fix for the pause bug in the pulse dialing code - you can now put a 
"w" in the dial string and it will pause whether you're using pulse or 
tone dialing.

* Max's audible pulsing code has been incorporated as a configurable 
option.  I also have the necessary patch for chan_zap.c in a separate 
file.  This does *not* include the SF code - just the audible pulsing.

* All other previous enhancements (e.g. pulse dial mappings, 
configurable ring current frequencies, and the ignoreflash option).

Zaptel patch (works with Zaptel 1.2.13, 1.2.14, and 1.2.15): 
<http://cnet.fubegra.net/downloads/zaptel-1.2.13-cnet4.patch>

Asterisk patch (Asterisk 1.2.16):
<http://cnet.fubegra.net/downloads/asterisk-1.2.16-cnet.patch>

To set up audible pulsing, you will need to set it in both 
/etc/zaptel.conf and /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf - for instance, if 
channels 1 and 2 were your FXO interfaces into your step switch:

/etc/zaptel.conf:

	hearpulsing=1-2

/etc/asterisk/zapata.conf:

	; be sure to set other options for these channels
	hearpulsing=yes
	channel => 1
	channel => 2

Enjoy!

	Russ
	CNET: 1-442-7877
	FWD: 699408

From stfkerman at jps.net  Thu Mar  1 22:45:03 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:45:03 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Documentation Wanted
Message-ID: <45E7ABCF.8050607@jps.net>

Hi Folks,

If anyone out there has documentation on the E&M Communications 507B 
Toll Restrictor, please email me.  This is a 1970s era item.

Thanks
Steph

From ka2wft at arrl.net  Sat Mar  3 15:14:41 2007
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:14:41 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] 366 No Such Level
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070303160956.027098a0@incoming.verizon.net>

Hi guys,

Got a temporary no such level/all circuits busy tone working on the switch 
here.  It's 400 Hz 120 IPM generated out of another uP chip I had kicking 
around here.  I need to integrate the tone into the main uP that's the tone 
generator and interrupter on the switch.  This was kind of a proof of 
concept thing I did today.

It is dialable from the CNET, 366-34XX will reach it.  It is also locally 
reachable on the other unused levels of the switch, but 34XX is the only 
one I currently have opened to CNET access.

With the audio path open, you'll hear the selector buzz across the level to 
the 11th position.

Enjoy.

Doug.


From lee at spenadel.com  Sat Mar  3 17:22:27 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:22:27 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Stutter Tone
Message-ID: <015f01c75dea$cebc8420$6c358c60$@com>

I'm having trouble with my voice mail message stutter tone.

 

 

When I was a SIP extension I would get the stutter tone from the ATA.  Now
that I'm a channel bank extension, I no longer seem to get my stutter tone
when a vm has been left.  What's controlling that now and which .conf file
do I need to tweak?  I just found that I had 6 VM waiting for me.

 

Thanks

Lee

 

 

 

 

 

If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights work?

 


From kxt at fubegra.net  Sat Mar  3 17:40:44 2007
From: kxt at fubegra.net (Russ Price)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:40:44 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] Stutter Tone
In-Reply-To: <015f01c75dea$cebc8420$6c358c60$@com>
References: <015f01c75dea$cebc8420$6c358c60$@com>
Message-ID: <45EA077C.4000406@fubegra.net>

Lee Spenadel wrote:
> I'm having trouble with my voice mail message stutter tone.

> When I was a SIP extension I would get the stutter tone from the ATA.  Now
> that I'm a channel bank extension, I no longer seem to get my stutter tone
> when a vm has been left.  What's controlling that now and which .conf file
> do I need to tweak?  I just found that I had 6 VM waiting for me.

You'll need a mailbox=XXXX in your /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf for each 
Zap channel that you want stutter tone, where XXXX is a mailbox number 
you've defined.

	Russ
	CNET: 1-442-7877
	FWD: 699408

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Sat Mar  3 17:43:30 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:43:30 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Stutter Tone
In-Reply-To: <015f01c75dea$cebc8420$6c358c60$@com>
References: <015f01c75dea$cebc8420$6c358c60$@com>
Message-ID: <45EA0822.7050008@stromberg-carlson.org>

I don't have the answer, and am curious as well, but one thing I do is 
have Asterisk, through sendmail, send an email message that will alert me.
I found that, after configuring sendmail ( no easy task. Russ or other 
Linux gurus can possibly help ) I could send a message to my gmail 
account, which forwards to this account.
Sending to this account resulted in either the e-mail being rejected or 
ending up in my spam trap.
This also allows easy access when away, as asterisk will attack a sound 
vile of the VM message.

John Novack


Lee Spenadel wrote:
> I'm having trouble with my voice mail message stutter tone.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> When I was a SIP extension I would get the stutter tone from the ATA.  Now
> that I'm a channel bank extension, I no longer seem to get my stutter tone
> when a vm has been left.  What's controlling that now and which .conf file
> do I need to tweak?  I just found that I had 6 VM waiting for me.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
> Lee
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights work?
>
>  
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From lee at spenadel.com  Sat Mar  3 18:16:54 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:16:54 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Stutter Tone
In-Reply-To: <45EA077C.4000406@fubegra.net>
References: <015f01c75dea$cebc8420$6c358c60$@com>
	<45EA077C.4000406@fubegra.net>
Message-ID: <017001c75df2$6aa4ea10$3feebe30$@com>

That did it!

Thanks
Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
Russ Price
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 6:41 PM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Stutter Tone

Lee Spenadel wrote:
> I'm having trouble with my voice mail message stutter tone.

> When I was a SIP extension I would get the stutter tone from the ATA.  Now
> that I'm a channel bank extension, I no longer seem to get my stutter tone
> when a vm has been left.  What's controlling that now and which .conf file
> do I need to tweak?  I just found that I had 6 VM waiting for me.

You'll need a mailbox=XXXX in your /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf for each 
Zap channel that you want stutter tone, where XXXX is a mailbox number 
you've defined.

	Russ
	CNET: 1-442-7877
	FWD: 699408
_______________________________________________
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Sun Mar  4 14:44:47 2007
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:44:47 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>

Hi gang,

What's the Asterisk language for extensions.conf to block calls from a 
particular CID?  I've had someone calling through John Covert's PSTN port 
making a number of calls on my system here over the last 14 hours and 
generally making a nuisance of himself/herself including ringing a 
nonpublished number on my switch a little while ago and hanging up when I 
answered -- and after it got my folks all confused with the particular line 
ringing.  I see from the call logs this person also tried another "live" 
number at 0045 local time last night, but got caught in the "waking hours 
only" routine in Asterisk.  Also this caller appeared to be checking out 
the capacity of my system by calling either the RNA or busy line and then 
attempting another call on the switch at the same time... sorry I have only 
one port from Asterisk to my step switch.

Anyway, I think this person needs to be blocked.  What's the command(s) to 
accomplish this?  And the CID is apparently nonpublished as a reverse 
lookup on Anywho.com doesn't give a result, but the pay-for-information 
sites claim to have a listing.

Many thanks,

Doug.


From lee at spenadel.com  Sun Mar  4 14:51:58 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:51:58 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000301c75e9e$f68762e0$e39628a0$@com>

I don't have an answer to this, though I always wondered if/when this would
happen.  I'm wondering if such a routine should check the enum server for
valid CNET office codes and reject those that are not part of it.  While
this might keep out the nuisance callers, it hampers those who do like to
dial in via a portal and access the various switches.

What's the CID that's been calling?

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
Doug Alderdice
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:45 PM
To: Voice Over IP
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls

Hi gang,

What's the Asterisk language for extensions.conf to block calls from a 
particular CID?  I've had someone calling through John Covert's PSTN port 
making a number of calls on my system here over the last 14 hours and 
generally making a nuisance of himself/herself including ringing a 
nonpublished number on my switch a little while ago and hanging up when I 
answered -- and after it got my folks all confused with the particular line 
ringing.  I see from the call logs this person also tried another "live" 
number at 0045 local time last night, but got caught in the "waking hours 
only" routine in Asterisk.  Also this caller appeared to be checking out 
the capacity of my system by calling either the RNA or busy line and then 
attempting another call on the switch at the same time... sorry I have only 
one port from Asterisk to my step switch.

Anyway, I think this person needs to be blocked.  What's the command(s) to 
accomplish this?  And the CID is apparently nonpublished as a reverse 
lookup on Anywho.com doesn't give a result, but the pay-for-information 
sites claim to have a listing.

Many thanks,

Doug.

_______________________________________________
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http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Sun Mar  4 15:07:27 2007
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:07:27 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
In-Reply-To: <000301c75e9e$f68762e0$e39628a0$@com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304155327.0272bcc8@incoming.verizon.net>

At 03:51 PM 3/4/2007 -0500, Lee Spenadel wrote:
>I don't have an answer to this, though I always wondered if/when this would
>happen.  I'm wondering if such a routine should check the enum server for
>valid CNET office codes and reject those that are not part of it.  While
>this might keep out the nuisance callers, it hampers those who do like to
>dial in via a portal and access the various switches.
>
>What's the CID that's been calling?


For the most part in the existence of the CNET, abuse hasn't been a big 
problem for me.  There's been less than a handful of calls over the over 
two years now that my system has been on the network that I have 
received.  I can't speak for others, of course, but I believe John Novack 
had someone he had to lock out once who would dial up his RNA line for 
minutes at a time.  I notice that this person that has been calling my 
system at the moment had my busy line dialed up for 173 seconds at one point.

I think locking out anyone who doesn't have a valid office code on CNET 
isn't the answer.  It would prevent folks from checking it out to maybe 
join and/or are curious/interested in old switching, and those are the last 
folks we'd want to prevent from having access to CNET.  Having certain 
lines listed as "OK 24/7" in the ckts.info directory helps, too, but that 
assumes that someone has the brain power to conclude that if a listing 
isn't marked "OK 24/7" you don't ring it in the middle of the night.  Greg 
has the local time function on the online directory so there really is no 
excuse for anyone ringing lines outside of normal waking hours that aren't 
marked as 24/7 lines.

That said, having a waking hours validation routine in your box is a good 
thing to have to keep people from either ringing live answer lines and/or 
dialing any number on your EM switch if it's within earshot of sleeping 
areas of your house.  I had someone last summer ringing a live answer line 
at 0400 local, but fortunately we were out of town at the time it 
happened.  The time check routine went in as soon as I discovered the 
attempted call.  My switch is in the basement so I lock out only live 
answer lines during the night; RNA, busy and my new reorder are accessible 
24/7 on my switch.

The CID of the caller is 7045791541.  Comes up to Charlotte, NC.

Doug.



From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Sun Mar  4 15:12:14 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:12:14 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <45EB362E.4010803@stromberg-carlson.org>



Doug Alderdice wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> What's the Asterisk language for extensions.conf to block calls from a particular CID? 
There may be better or simpler ways, but here is what I use for incoming 
CNET calls
There probably is a smarter way to  use a database lookup as well.

exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,1, NoOp(Caller ID received is ${CALLERIDNUM})
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,2,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "Unknown"]?4:3)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,3,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "fill in some 
number here"]?16:9)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,4,Answer
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,5,Wait(2)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,6,Playback(star82)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,7,NoOp(Caller Advised of Caller ID Policy)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,8,GoTo(extensions,${OFFICECODE}9969,1)
; this plays my crazy laugh recording
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,9,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "asterisk"]?4:10)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,10,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "private"]?4:11)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,11,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = 
"Anonymous"]?4:12)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,12,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = 
"anonymous"]?4:13)
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,13,PrivacyManager
; Privacy Manager is pretty dumb, and only seems to work with blank 
caller ID
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,14,Goto(extensions,${EXTEN:1},1);
exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,15,Macro(fastbusy)
;

This would give you a starting point at least.
Anyone who has a better /simpler idea, speak up!

John Novack


From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Sun Mar  4 15:19:46 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:19:46 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
In-Reply-To: <45EB362E.4010803@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
	<45EB362E.4010803@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <20070304151946.8dbfhn4nyckcsw40@mail.shaneyoung.com>

I use a database myself, but the logic is sort of built-in for  
checking callerid.  It's commonly used in the "ex-girlfriend" examples.

http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+config+extensions.conf

This will match extension 123 and perform the following options ONLY  
if the Caller-ID Number of the calling user is 100. This can also be  
accomplished with pattern matching, as seen below:

    exten => 1234/_256NXXXXXX,1,Answer()
    and so on...

This will only match for 1234 if the Caller ID Number is something  
beginning with 256. This is very useful to keep locals from dialing  
your toll-free number and charging you for the call.

You can even do this:

    exten => s,1,Answer
    exten => s/9184238080,2,Set(CALLERID(name)=EVIL BASTARD)
    exten => s,2,Set(CALLERID(name)=Good Person)
    exten => s,3,Dial(SIP/goodperson)






Quoting John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>:

>
>
> Doug Alderdice wrote:
>> Hi gang,
>>
>> What's the Asterisk language for extensions.conf to block calls   
>> from a particular CID?
> There may be better or simpler ways, but here is what I use for incoming
> CNET calls
> There probably is a smarter way to  use a database lookup as well.
>
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,1, NoOp(Caller ID received is ${CALLERIDNUM})
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,2,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "Unknown"]?4:3)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,3,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "fill in some
> number here"]?16:9)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,4,Answer
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,5,Wait(2)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,6,Playback(star82)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,7,NoOp(Caller Advised of Caller ID Policy)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,8,GoTo(extensions,${OFFICECODE}9969,1)
> ; this plays my crazy laugh recording
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,9,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "asterisk"]?4:10)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,10,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "private"]?4:11)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,11,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" =
> "Anonymous"]?4:12)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,12,GotoIf($["${CALLERIDNUM}" =
> "anonymous"]?4:13)
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,13,PrivacyManager
> ; Privacy Manager is pretty dumb, and only seems to work with blank
> caller ID
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,14,Goto(extensions,${EXTEN:1},1);
> exten => _1${OFFICECODE}XXXX,15,Macro(fastbusy)
> ;
>
> This would give you a starting point at least.
> Anyone who has a better /simpler idea, speak up!
>
> John Novack
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

--Shane
+1-821-7311 CNET



From kxt at fubegra.net  Sun Mar  4 15:27:58 2007
From: kxt at fubegra.net (Russ Price)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:27:58 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <45EB39DE.2040809@fubegra.net>

Doug Alderdice wrote:
> Hi gang,
> 
> What's the Asterisk language for extensions.conf to block calls from a 
> particular CID?  I've had someone calling through John Covert's PSTN port 
> making a number of calls on my system here over the last 14 hours and 
> generally making a nuisance of himself/herself

Something like this should work (where BBBB is a caller ID digit string)

; Pay attention to the placement of dollar signs and brackets
exten => 1234,1,GotoIf($[${CALLERID(num)} = BBBB]?3:2)
exten => 1234,2,Macro(dialswitch, ${EXTEN})	; ok, go to switch
exten => 1234,3,Answer
exten => 1234,4,Playback(tt-weasels)		; bad guy
exten => 1234,5,Wait(1)
exten => 1234,6,Hangup

	Russ
	CNET: 1-442-7877
	FWD: 699408

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Sun Mar  4 15:31:49 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:31:49 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304155327.0272bcc8@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>	<5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070304155327.0272bcc8@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <45EB3AC5.8050306@stromberg-carlson.org>



Doug Alderdice wrote:
>
> I think locking out anyone who doesn't have a valid office code on CNET isn't the answer.  It would prevent folks from checking it out to maybe join and/or are curious/interested in old switching, and those are the last folks we'd want to prevent from having access to CNET.  
>   
Not to mention those who have yet to figure out how to configure a 
caller ID correctly!
> The CID of the caller is 7045791541.  Comes up to Charlotte, NC.
>
> Doug.
I had this same call after midnight myself - to the RNA number
MY main objection is the MG set running for so long. I yet don't know 
what is involved in bearing replacement, but I suppose I will find out 
someday soon.

If/When I have the time, I will have to look into Shanes suggestions .
For the moment I will simply block that 10 digit number.
Of course, the caller can always change it

One of my personal pet peeves is callerID's that can't be called back on 
CNET

Here is the call I received - coming in IAX through the CNET context

2007-03-04 00:51:49 	223 	cnetIAX 	7045791541 	6662231 	extensions 
"7045791541" <7045791541> 	IAX2/72.93.205.52:4569-3 	Zap/25-1 	Dial 
ANSWERED


John Novack



From ka2wft at arrl.net  Sun Mar  4 15:58:00 2007
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:58:00 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
In-Reply-To: <45EB39DE.2040809@fubegra.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070304153608.00b4e838@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070304165417.027201a0@incoming.verizon.net>

At 03:27 PM 3/4/2007 -0600, Russ Price wrote:
>Something like this should work (where BBBB is a caller ID digit string)
>
>; Pay attention to the placement of dollar signs and brackets
>exten => 1234,1,GotoIf($[${CALLERID(num)} = BBBB]?3:2)
>exten => 1234,2,Macro(dialswitch, ${EXTEN})     ; ok, go to switch
>exten => 1234,3,Answer
>exten => 1234,4,Playback(tt-weasels)            ; bad guy
>exten => 1234,5,Wait(1)
>exten => 1234,6,Hangup


Thanks to all who have sent suggested routines.  I have adapted Russ's 
above -- I have an old 'Head' version of Asterisk so I needed CALLERIDNUM 
as the variable, not what's above, but it appears to work ... at least it's 
letting me in!  I tried to fool it by putting the offending CID into my 
Diax client, forgetting I have callerid statements in iax.conf for the 
client that overrides what the client has!

Thanks again to all.

Doug.



From chad at maine.maine.edu  Sun Mar  4 16:22:49 2007
From: chad at maine.maine.edu (Chad Perkins)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 17:22:49 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Round Tuit
In-Reply-To: <20070215233640.jl44hjz7go4gsw0w@mail.shaneyoung.com>
Message-ID: <45EB0069.12188.1794B28@localhost>

On 15 Feb 2007 at 23:36, Shane Young wrote:

> I finally got a Round Tuit and put my home system on CNET.
> I'll put some numbers in the directory tomorrow.
 
I think I may need to lend Shane one of my tuits ...

> For now, you can find out how cold it is outside my house :)
> 1-821-7301
:
c.

From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Sun Mar  4 17:25:54 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 17:25:54 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] Round Tuit
In-Reply-To: <45EB0069.12188.1794B28@localhost>
References: <45EB0069.12188.1794B28@localhost>
Message-ID: <20070304172554.k0fa6jlf4oos8k88@mail.shaneyoung.com>

Yes, I could use a few tuits...

This should keep a couple of people happy for a while.

8217226	Grand Rapids, MN Weather
8217300	ANA
8217301	Minneapolis, MN Time and Temp
8217302	Dial A rosary
8217323	Really long up-beat version of 9-5
8217353	Minneapolis, MN Weather
8217383	Funny Thing
8217389	US Population
8217390	Random Bible Verse

I have another number which I need to modify for general consumption  
at which time I'll post it, but I'll tell you what it does.

When you call it, it checks Yahoo! to see if I'm logged in to Yahoo!  
instant Messanger.  If I am, it puts you through to the phone at my  
desk at work (as well as my cell phone).  If I am not logged in, you  
will get dumped to my voice mail right a way.






Quoting Chad Perkins <chad at maine.maine.edu>:

> On 15 Feb 2007 at 23:36, Shane Young wrote:
>
>> I finally got a Round Tuit and put my home system on CNET.
>> I'll put some numbers in the directory tomorrow.
>
> I think I may need to lend Shane one of my tuits ...
>
>> For now, you can find out how cold it is outside my house :)
>> 1-821-7301
> :
> c.
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+1-821-7311 CNET



From greg at vyger.net  Sun Mar  4 19:05:08 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:05:08 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686214@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

Shane's way is the easiest, not needing any gotoif statements.

Something like this should trap 7045791541.

exten => _136635XX/7045791541,1,Congestion
exten => _136635XX,1,Dial(ZAP/1/${EXTEN:6})
exten => _136635XX,n,Hangup

This sends anything to 1-366-35XX to your zaptel device, unless it comes
from 7045791541.  In that case, it goes to Congestion, i.e., all
circuits busy.

I use it at home for telemarketers...

exten => s/2182062192,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/3202594099,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/5102738910,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/7012394294,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/9529083215,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/9529083216,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/9529083218,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/9529083219,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/9529083220,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/9529083221,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
exten => s/9529450192,1,Goto(spam-intercept,s,1)
;
exten => s,1,NoOp(Entering dr1 context)
exten => s,2,Answer()
And so forth.

It blocks calls from those 11 numbers, sending them to a
'spam-intercept' context, which tells the caller that the number they
have reached has been disconnected.  (I lie to telemarketers).


> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] 
> On Behalf Of Shane Young
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: voip at ckts.info
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Blocking Individual Calls
> 
> I use a database myself, but the logic is sort of built-in 
> for checking callerid.  It's commonly used in the 
> "ex-girlfriend" examples.
> 
> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+config+extensions.conf
> 
> This will match extension 123 and perform the following 
> options ONLY if the Caller-ID Number of the calling user is 
> 100. This can also be accomplished with pattern matching, as 
> seen below:
> 
>     exten => 1234/_256NXXXXXX,1,Answer()
>     and so on...
> 
> This will only match for 1234 if the Caller ID Number is 
> something beginning with 256. This is very useful to keep 
> locals from dialing your toll-free number and charging you 
> for the call.
> 


From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Mon Mar  5 19:44:35 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:44:35 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] 594 goes slim
Message-ID: <45ECC783.7030501@stromberg-carlson.org>


Just had a nice conversation with Paul Wills on his new configuration of 
a Linksys router running Asterisk and his Cisco box interface to his ANI
Sound was a tad hot to my end.
Not sure if that was me or him
Someday we all have to break out the milliwatts and meters!
 Here is his CDR from my end

2007-03-05 20:17:10 	"CKT&T" <5943514> 	802 	cnetIAX 	5943514 	6662900 
extensions



John Novack


From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Mon Mar  5 19:57:30 2007
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:57:30 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] 594 goes slim
References: <45ECC783.7030501@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <005201c75f92$cdca0020$0301a8c0@Main>

I give all the credit to John Jones.

PDW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Novack" <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
To: "Voice Over IP" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: [VoIP] 594 goes slim


> 
> Just had a nice conversation with Paul Wills on his new configuration of 
> a Linksys router running Asterisk and his Cisco box interface to his ANI
> Sound was a tad hot to my end.
> Not sure if that was me or him
> Someday we all have to break out the milliwatts and meters!
> Here is his CDR from my end
> 
> 2007-03-05 20:17:10 "CKT&T" <5943514> 802 cnetIAX 5943514 6662900 
> extensions
> 
> 
> 
> John Novack
> 
> 

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Tue Mar  6 08:33:40 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:33:40 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] CLID on CNET
Message-ID: <45ED7BC4.2050705@stromberg-carlson.org>


I for one would really like CLID to reflect a callback number
Erick appears to be a new CNET member, but the CLID doesn't offer a way 
back to his network
Just a pet peeve of mine.
I also don't see him in the directory, nor with a reserved office code

Anyone have any more information?
John Novack

007-03-05 18:51:58 	166 	cnetIAX 	9208879808 	6666111 	extensions 
"WAUGUS,ERICK W " <9208879808> 	IAX2/76.164.8.100:4569-3 	
	Hangup 	ANSWERED




From lee at spenadel.com  Tue Mar  6 08:47:48 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:47:48 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] CLID on CNET
In-Reply-To: <45ED7BC4.2050705@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <45ED7BC4.2050705@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <00fc01c75ffe$6958aee0$3c0a0ca0$@com>

Erick visited me too.

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:34 AM
To: Voice Over IP
Subject: [VoIP] CLID on CNET


I for one would really like CLID to reflect a callback number
Erick appears to be a new CNET member, but the CLID doesn't offer a way 
back to his network
Just a pet peeve of mine.
I also don't see him in the directory, nor with a reserved office code

Anyone have any more information?
John Novack

007-03-05 18:51:58 	166 	cnetIAX 	9208879808 	6666111
extensions 
"WAUGUS,ERICK W " <9208879808> 	IAX2/76.164.8.100:4569-3 	
	Hangup 	ANSWERED



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From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Tue Mar  6 09:26:02 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:26:02 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] CLID on CNET
In-Reply-To: <45ED7BC4.2050705@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <45ED7BC4.2050705@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <20070306092602.abtpdzuyku808884@mail.shaneyoung.com>

In theory, he sent the number where he wants to be called back and my  
opinion is this is the right way to do it.

Erick doesn't need an office code to be able to call into the network.  
  He just needs his asterisk system configured to do the ENUM lookups,  
Just as if somone had called through a portal somewhere.

It works for me because my asterisk system is not just a tandem for an  
EM switch, but is my PBX for my home.

Currently, when anyone calls me with a CNET ANI, I can't call them  
back because I would be dialing a local number in Minneapolis!

For example, when Phil calls me, his number shows up as 377-0111.  If  
I picked up my phone and called that, I'd get "Tom James of  
Minneapolis" because their number is 612-377-0111

For me, I dial 1+200+NXX-XXXX for cnet numbers from my phones at home.  
  What I intend to do is prefix 200 in front of the received ANI on  
inbound cnet calls which match some critera.  I'll have to come up  
with something else for the international CNET members.

Even with what might be considered "standard" CNET numbering, I  
receive different stuff:
+-----------+--------------+
| src       | cnam         |
+-----------+--------------+
| +19335312 | DAY JIM      |
| 3770112   | Anonymous    |
| 12226610  | Greg Blakely |
+-----------+--------------+







Quoting John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>:

>
> I for one would really like CLID to reflect a callback number
> Erick appears to be a new CNET member, but the CLID doesn't offer a way
> back to his network
> Just a pet peeve of mine.
> I also don't see him in the directory, nor with a reserved office code
>
> Anyone have any more information?
> John Novack
>
> 007-03-05 18:51:58 	166 	cnetIAX 	9208879808 	6666111 	extensions
> "WAUGUS,ERICK W " <9208879808> 	IAX2/76.164.8.100:4569-3
> 	Hangup 	ANSWERED
>
>
>
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>

--Shane
+1-821-7311 CNET



From greg at vyger.net  Tue Mar  6 11:48:23 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:48:23 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] CLID on CNET
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668621E@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

I've been making the ENUM dns entries in such a way as to make all North
American office code assignments reachable via 1-NXX or 1-200-NXX.

In order to make it work inbound on any given asterisk box, an addition
to the context where inbound CNET calls are directed would be in order.

Using our phony 1-999 prefix as an example,



exten => _1200999XXXX,1,Goto(1${EXTEN:4},1) 


And then, on outgoing calls, the ANI should be changed to 1200999XXXX.

I think that, if we set the existence of a 200 NPA as a statement that
the user making the call is capable of receiving 1-200- calls, it might
work.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] 
> On Behalf Of Shane Young
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:26 AM
> To: voip at ckts.info
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] CLID on CNET
> 
> In theory, he sent the number where he wants to be called 
> back and my opinion is this is the right way to do it.
> 
> Erick doesn't need an office code to be able to call into the 
> network.  
>   He just needs his asterisk system configured to do the ENUM 
> lookups, Just as if somone had called through a portal somewhere.
> 
> It works for me because my asterisk system is not just a 
> tandem for an EM switch, but is my PBX for my home.
> 
> Currently, when anyone calls me with a CNET ANI, I can't call 
> them back because I would be dialing a local number in Minneapolis!
> 
> For example, when Phil calls me, his number shows up as 
> 377-0111.  If I picked up my phone and called that, I'd get 
> "Tom James of Minneapolis" because their number is 612-377-0111
> 
> For me, I dial 1+200+NXX-XXXX for cnet numbers from my phones 
> at home.  
>   What I intend to do is prefix 200 in front of the received 
> ANI on inbound cnet calls which match some critera.  I'll 
> have to come up with something else for the international 
> CNET members.
> 
> Even with what might be considered "standard" CNET numbering, 
> I receive different stuff:
> +-----------+--------------+
> | src       | cnam         |
> +-----------+--------------+
> | +19335312 | DAY JIM      |
> | 3770112   | Anonymous    |
> | 12226610  | Greg Blakely |
> +-----------+--------------+
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting John Novack <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>:
> 
> >
> > I for one would really like CLID to reflect a callback number Erick 
> > appears to be a new CNET member, but the CLID doesn't offer 
> a way back 
> > to his network Just a pet peeve of mine.
> > I also don't see him in the directory, nor with a reserved 
> office code
> >
> > Anyone have any more information?
> > John Novack
> >
> > 007-03-05 18:51:58 	166 	cnetIAX 	9208879808 	
> 6666111 	extensions
> > "WAUGUS,ERICK W " <9208879808> 	IAX2/76.164.8.100:4569-3
> > 	Hangup 	ANSWERED
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> --Shane
> +1-821-7311 CNET
> 
> 
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From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar  8 08:31:44 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:31:44 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] DISA questions
Message-ID: <000701c7618e$7f2db260$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi all,
I have a few questions about DISA. First, there's no way to use wav files
for dialtone, ringing, busy, etc. is there? Man I'd love to use old sounds
for these events!
Also, what, exactly, happens when a caller at a DISA dialtone doesn't dial
anything at all within the allowed time? I've just about figured out that if
an incomplete extension is dialed, it goes to a Timeout somewhere, but is
there a way to intercept a caller not having dialed anything at all? I'd
love to be able to play a "If you'd like to make a call . . ." recording,
then the off-hook tone.
Jayson.


From greg at vyger.net  Thu Mar  8 16:01:40 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:01:40 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] DISA questions
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686228@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

Each context has "invalid," "timeout," and "hangup" possibilities:

[DISA]
exten => 6527000,1,DISA(no-password|fromcnet)
exten => 6527000,n,Congestion

exten => i,1,macro(invalid)
exten => i,2,Congestion

exten => t,1,macro(if-youd-like-to-make-a-call)
exten => t,n,Congestion

exten => h,1,Hangup

================================

Or, at least I'm guessing that'll work.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] 
> On Behalf Of Jayson Smith
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: [VoIP] DISA questions
> 
> Hi all,
> I have a few questions about DISA. First, there's no way to 
> use wav files for dialtone, ringing, busy, etc. is there? Man 
> I'd love to use old sounds for these events!
> Also, what, exactly, happens when a caller at a DISA dialtone 
> doesn't dial anything at all within the allowed time? I've 
> just about figured out that if an incomplete extension is 
> dialed, it goes to a Timeout somewhere, but is there a way to 
> intercept a caller not having dialed anything at all? I'd 
> love to be able to play a "If you'd like to make a call . . 
> ." recording, then the off-hook tone.
> Jayson.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar  9 07:49:01 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:49:01 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
Message-ID: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
I'm looking for an old touchtone phone. I just think it'd be cool to have
one of these. I don't even know what to look for, though, so maybe some of
you can help me. With modern phones, I don't know exactly when this started,
the duration of the touch tones are controlled by programming, such that
even on the phones that keep the tone on for as long as you hold down the
button, there's always a preset minimum duration for the tones, and pressing
two or more buttons together either doesn't do anything, or produces only
one tone, etc. But on older phones, maybe 25/30 or more years ago, the tone
was kept on for *exactly* as long as you held the button. You could hit
buttons really quickly, and there wasn't any delay between tones. If you hit
two buttons together, or more, if all of them had a common frequency, that
frequency would be sounded. You could also do other interesting things like
fade from one tone into another, etc. Afaik, most of Evan Doorbell's tapes
were recorded on such a phone, at least the ones I've heard, when there was
touchtone at all. I've noticed that even now, some cocots have that type of
keypad. Maybe they took old payphones and cocotized them? Any and all help
appreciated.
Jayson.


From lee at spenadel.com  Fri Mar  9 08:09:54 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:09:54 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
In-Reply-To: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <031a01c76254$9facdef0$df069cd0$@com>

A plain old Western Electric 2500 desk set should do the trick.

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
Jayson Smith
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:49 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones

Hi,
I'm looking for an old touchtone phone. I just think it'd be cool to have
one of these. I don't even know what to look for, though, so maybe some of
you can help me. With modern phones, I don't know exactly when this started,
the duration of the touch tones are controlled by programming, such that
even on the phones that keep the tone on for as long as you hold down the
button, there's always a preset minimum duration for the tones, and pressing
two or more buttons together either doesn't do anything, or produces only
one tone, etc. But on older phones, maybe 25/30 or more years ago, the tone
was kept on for *exactly* as long as you held the button. You could hit
buttons really quickly, and there wasn't any delay between tones. If you hit
two buttons together, or more, if all of them had a common frequency, that
frequency would be sounded. You could also do other interesting things like
fade from one tone into another, etc. Afaik, most of Evan Doorbell's tapes
were recorded on such a phone, at least the ones I've heard, when there was
touchtone at all. I've noticed that even now, some cocots have that type of
keypad. Maybe they took old payphones and cocotized them? Any and all help
appreciated.
Jayson.

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From stfkerman at jps.net  Fri Mar  9 08:13:52 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:13:52 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
In-Reply-To: <031a01c76254$9facdef0$df069cd0$@com>
References: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<031a01c76254$9facdef0$df069cd0$@com>
Message-ID: <45F16BA0.40604@jps.net>

Or any ITT or S-C 2500 set for that matter, as long as it has an L-C 
rather than digital tone generator circuit. 

Certainly all L-C type dials have metallic-contact keypads which are 
easily recognized by their feel.  Most likely all digital dials have 
either snap-dome or conductive elastomer keypads, which are also very 
recognizable by their feel.

Steph

Lee Spenadel wrote:
> A plain old Western Electric 2500 desk set should do the trick.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> Jayson Smith
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
>
> Hi,
> I'm looking for an old touchtone phone. I just think it'd be cool to have
> one of these. I don't even know what to look for, though, so maybe some of
> you can help me. With modern phones, I don't know exactly when this started,
> the duration of the touch tones are controlled by programming, such that
> even on the phones that keep the tone on for as long as you hold down the
> button, there's always a preset minimum duration for the tones, and pressing
> two or more buttons together either doesn't do anything, or produces only
> one tone, etc. But on older phones, maybe 25/30 or more years ago, the tone
> was kept on for *exactly* as long as you held the button. You could hit
> buttons really quickly, and there wasn't any delay between tones. If you hit
> two buttons together, or more, if all of them had a common frequency, that
> frequency would be sounded. You could also do other interesting things like
> fade from one tone into another, etc. Afaik, most of Evan Doorbell's tapes
> were recorded on such a phone, at least the ones I've heard, when there was
> touchtone at all. I've noticed that even now, some cocots have that type of
> keypad. Maybe they took old payphones and cocotized them? Any and all help
> appreciated.
> Jayson.
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar  9 09:39:44 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:39:44 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
References: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<031a01c76254$9facdef0$df069cd0$@com>
Message-ID: <001501c76261$2926b1e0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Lee, sorry for the resend, but this for some reason went only to you.

Hi,
Thanks, I've now got a snipe for one on EBay. I found a two-for-one deal
with a "Buy it Now," but it was a clone of the WE 2500 made by some company
Cortel (spelling?) didn't look at the spelling, anyway, it says they're
still being made, use the genuine bell and not an electronic ringer, and
have more reliable touchtone technology, which is exactly what I don't want!
Now I don't ever see myself becoming a phone collector or anything, but I do
have one of the old dial phones which probably originally belonged to my
parents or my grandparents. It has the carbon mic, which I sometimes love
making recordings on, and the old bell! I sometimes wish I could get
Asterisk to record me picking up mid-ring to get the effect of a subscriber
picking up a ringing phone back in the day, but my IAXy doesn't cut the
audio path through until a second or so later, and by that time the bell has
mostly faded.
Jayson.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Spenadel" <lee at spenadel.com>
To: "'Jayson Smith'" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "'Voice Over IP Tandem for
Analog Switches'" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones


> A plain old Western Electric 2500 desk set should do the trick.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> Jayson Smith
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
>
> Hi,
> I'm looking for an old touchtone phone. I just think it'd be cool to have
> one of these. I don't even know what to look for, though, so maybe some of
> you can help me. With modern phones, I don't know exactly when this
started,
> the duration of the touch tones are controlled by programming, such that
> even on the phones that keep the tone on for as long as you hold down the
> button, there's always a preset minimum duration for the tones, and
pressing
> two or more buttons together either doesn't do anything, or produces only
> one tone, etc. But on older phones, maybe 25/30 or more years ago, the
tone
> was kept on for *exactly* as long as you held the button. You could hit
> buttons really quickly, and there wasn't any delay between tones. If you
hit
> two buttons together, or more, if all of them had a common frequency, that
> frequency would be sounded. You could also do other interesting things
like
> fade from one tone into another, etc. Afaik, most of Evan Doorbell's tapes
> were recorded on such a phone, at least the ones I've heard, when there
was
> touchtone at all. I've noticed that even now, some cocots have that type
of
> keypad. Maybe they took old payphones and cocotized them? Any and all help
> appreciated.
> Jayson.
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>


From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar  9 09:45:51 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:45:51 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
References: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<68171c120703090741v20544543ya384bb6f80313e08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c76262$043be660$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
Unfortunately, being blind, I have never really done the thrift/salvation
army/goodwill bit. eBay is my best bet, probably. I know the prices are
probably cheaper locally, but we have to pay someone to drive us around,
etc. Thanks for your reply, though!
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones


> Hi,
>
> I have found that thrift stores (at least where I live) are an
> excellent source of telephones of all varieties and vintages, at
> extremely low cost. I don't have the model numbers here, but my
> roommate recently bought several old touchtone phones that exhibit the
> behavior you describe. He said he paid a buck each for them at the
> Salvation Army.
>
> I'll be out of town this weekend, but I will get you the model number
> or any other identifying marks from some of these phones on Sunday
> when I return. Although, at thrift store prices, you can probably just
> grab a bunch of them if there are that many sitting around.
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
> On 3/9/07, Jayson Smith <ratguy at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm looking for an old touchtone phone. I just think it'd be cool to
have
> > one of these. I don't even know what to look for, though, so maybe some
of
> > you can help me. With modern phones, I don't know exactly when this
started,
> > the duration of the touch tones are controlled by programming, such that
> > even on the phones that keep the tone on for as long as you hold down
the
> > button, there's always a preset minimum duration for the tones, and
pressing
> > two or more buttons together either doesn't do anything, or produces
only
> > one tone, etc. But on older phones, maybe 25/30 or more years ago, the
tone
> > was kept on for *exactly* as long as you held the button. You could hit
> > buttons really quickly, and there wasn't any delay between tones. If you
hit
> > two buttons together, or more, if all of them had a common frequency,
that
> > frequency would be sounded. You could also do other interesting things
like
> > fade from one tone into another, etc. Afaik, most of Evan Doorbell's
tapes
> > were recorded on such a phone, at least the ones I've heard, when there
was
> > touchtone at all. I've noticed that even now, some cocots have that type
of
> > keypad. Maybe they took old payphones and cocotized them? Any and all
help
> > appreciated.
> > Jayson.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
>


From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar  9 09:47:53 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:47:53 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] BPA-410
Message-ID: <000b01c76262$4cb81d00$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
Does anybody know of a way to unlock the Packet8 BPA-410 ATA? This is their
two-line model. We got Packet8, then dropped it after a year. Now the box is
just sitting here being quite useless. If there's a way to unlock it, I'd
love to turn it into another usable ATA! I did download the firmware for the
Leadtek BVA-something, whatever it is that it is said the BPA-410 is based
on, but the firmware upgrade routine refuses to install it.
Jayson.


From rdekema at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 09:41:16 2007
From: rdekema at gmail.com (Rusty Dekema)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:41:16 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] OT - Question about old touchtone phones
In-Reply-To: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <000701c76251$b2082620$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <68171c120703090741v20544543ya384bb6f80313e08@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have found that thrift stores (at least where I live) are an
excellent source of telephones of all varieties and vintages, at
extremely low cost. I don't have the model numbers here, but my
roommate recently bought several old touchtone phones that exhibit the
behavior you describe. He said he paid a buck each for them at the
Salvation Army.

I'll be out of town this weekend, but I will get you the model number
or any other identifying marks from some of these phones on Sunday
when I return. Although, at thrift store prices, you can probably just
grab a bunch of them if there are that many sitting around.

Rusty




On 3/9/07, Jayson Smith <ratguy at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm looking for an old touchtone phone. I just think it'd be cool to have
> one of these. I don't even know what to look for, though, so maybe some of
> you can help me. With modern phones, I don't know exactly when this started,
> the duration of the touch tones are controlled by programming, such that
> even on the phones that keep the tone on for as long as you hold down the
> button, there's always a preset minimum duration for the tones, and pressing
> two or more buttons together either doesn't do anything, or produces only
> one tone, etc. But on older phones, maybe 25/30 or more years ago, the tone
> was kept on for *exactly* as long as you held the button. You could hit
> buttons really quickly, and there wasn't any delay between tones. If you hit
> two buttons together, or more, if all of them had a common frequency, that
> frequency would be sounded. You could also do other interesting things like
> fade from one tone into another, etc. Afaik, most of Evan Doorbell's tapes
> were recorded on such a phone, at least the ones I've heard, when there was
> touchtone at all. I've noticed that even now, some cocots have that type of
> keypad. Maybe they took old payphones and cocotized them? Any and all help
> appreciated.
> Jayson.
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

From greg at vyger.net  Fri Mar  9 19:54:08 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:54:08 -0600
Subject: [VoIP] List back up
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668622E@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

I imagine that at least one or two of you tried to post to the VOIP list
after 10:00 am today, and got back a notice that the email account
didn't exist.
 
Without going into detail, consider it a big "oops" on my part.
 
 

From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar 10 00:18:04 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:18:04 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Updated directory
Message-ID: <001601c762db$dcd8bce0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
I've updated my Cnet directory,
about time too! If you wish, check out the new numbers, all within the
622-0001 to 622-0013 range.
Jayson. 

From john_reads_cnet_via_archives at covert.org  Fri Mar  9 23:46:08 2007
From: john_reads_cnet_via_archives at covert.org (John R. Covert)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:46:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [VoIP] Route-and-Rate
Message-ID: <20070310063544.C6A5456155@ns1.vyger.net>

Jayson was looking around for 0XX and 1XX codes.

Well, try 1-263-0141.

She's dumb, and can't do anything but Name-Place, so don't
be mean to her, just enter an NPA-NXX for her to look up.

/john

From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar 10 01:41:17 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:41:17 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Route-and-Rate
References: <20070310063544.C6A5456155@ns1.vyger.net>
Message-ID: <000601c762e7$7d3bffc0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
That's cool!
I was just thinking about the different operators. I guess R&R might could
be used to provide Internet routing for a specific office code. E.G.
somebody dials +1 141 or +1 141-XXXX, gives a country and office code, then
it spits back the routing data for that code. We haven't started billing for
calls yet, so the rate portion would be pretty much useless.
Isn't the old code for DA 131, or in switches where customers could dial 0XX
and 1XX codes, 131-XXXX? I guess the way DA would have to work is with voice
recognition, a customer would give the name of somebody they wanted, then
it'd lookup maybe one number the switcher had specified to be given out by
DA. Interesting.
I think it'd be cool to have a conference bridge up on 052-XXXX or 059-2111,
etc. I never participated in either of those conferences, not being born
until 1978, but still... Of course, all of this probably sounds weird, but I
bet as far as Enum is concerned, 0XX and 1XX office codes in country code 1
are just as valid as any others. No, I haven't actually tried all the
possible codes 000-199, so there may still be some Cnet secrets out there.
Heh.
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John R. Covert" <john_reads_cnet_via_archives at covert.org>
To: "CNET" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:46 AM
Subject: [VoIP] Route-and-Rate


> Jayson was looking around for 0XX and 1XX codes.
>
> Well, try 1-263-0141.
>
> She's dumb, and can't do anything but Name-Place, so don't
> be mean to her, just enter an NPA-NXX for her to look up.
>
> /john
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>


From john_reads_cnet_via_archives at covert.org  Sat Mar 10 09:39:53 2007
From: john_reads_cnet_via_archives at covert.org (John R. Covert)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:39:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [VoIP] That old internet problem
Message-ID: <20070310154307.7B70556156@ns1.vyger.net>

BTW, as I suspected when I subscribed to this list, spam has
started arriving at this email address.  The bots have searched
the archives and added all our addresses to another generation
of lists.

This email address was created specifically for the purpose of
being able to be pointed down the nulldev.  You are all smart
folks, and can figure out my real email address if you need to
reach me.

/john

From john_reads_cnet_via_archives at covert.org  Sun Mar 11 07:21:43 2007
From: john_reads_cnet_via_archives at covert.org (John R. Covert)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Route-and-Rate
References: <20070310063544.C6A5456155@ns1.vyger.net>
Message-ID: <20070311132513.D18BC56324@ns1.vyger.net>

Since it takes a few seconds to retrieve the data, I decided to
give the caller something to listen to while the lookup is
happening.  Through the use of a little AGI, it's actually all
going on in parallel now.

/john

From david at josephson.com  Mon Mar 12 14:56:18 2007
From: david at josephson.com (David Josephson)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:56:18 -0800
Subject: [VoIP] Goarion/Tormenta 3 drivers and Zaptel
Message-ID: <45F5BE72.2060302@josephson.com>

I know some of you have the Govarion 4-port cards working. Now it's my 
turn to try this ... I see tor3 drivers only for Zaptel 1.2.13 and older 
... I am using 1.2.15, will they work?

Would anyone want to summarize the install process, or is it as simple 
as using the Sangoma cards?

--
David Josephson
555-2368

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Mon Mar 12 15:10:19 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:10:19 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Goarion/Tormenta 3 drivers and Zaptel
In-Reply-To: <45F5BE72.2060302@josephson.com>
References: <45F5BE72.2060302@josephson.com>
Message-ID: <45F5C1BB.1030003@stromberg-carlson.org>

It really is simpler than using the Sangoma card
Simply use the Zaptel supplied on their site.
You may want to send an e-mail asking when they will put up an updated 
tor-3 version, since there have been several updates to Zaptel in quick 
succession
Last time I asked, they brought things up to date within a couple of days.
I also asked if there was a way to simply substitute certain files with 
the Digium distribution, but never received an answer.
I am not even up to 13 yet - and the current numbering scheme and lack 
of a "map" as to what version goes with what is really a pain. Somehow 
Digium thinks they are doing something really smart, but personally I 
would prefer that each version number match, even if some module hasn't 
had any changes.
You may be able to get away with Zaptel 13 and Asterisk 16 also. Who knows?

John Novack


David Josephson wrote:
> I know some of you have the Govarion 4-port cards working. Now it's my 
> turn to try this ... I see tor3 drivers only for Zaptel 1.2.13 and older 
> ... I am using 1.2.15, will they work?
>
> Would anyone want to summarize the install process, or is it as simple 
> as using the Sangoma cards?
>
> --
> David Josephson
> 555-2368
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From david at josephson.com  Mon Mar 12 15:16:03 2007
From: david at josephson.com (David Josephson)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:16:03 -0800
Subject: [VoIP] Goarion/Tormenta 3 drivers and Zaptel
In-Reply-To: <45F5C1BB.1030003@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <45F5BE72.2060302@josephson.com>
	<45F5C1BB.1030003@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <45F5C313.6090504@josephson.com>

John Novack wrote:
> I am not even up to 13 yet - and the current numbering scheme and lack 
> of a "map" as to what version goes with what is really a pain. Somehow 
> Digium thinks they are doing something really smart, but personally I 
> would prefer that each version number match, even if some module hasn't 
> had any changes.
> You may be able to get away with Zaptel 13 and Asterisk 16 also. Who knows?
>   
OK, I'll try it, thanks.

--
David

From lee at spenadel.com  Tue Mar 13 21:02:09 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:02:09 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] MP#PLAYER App
Message-ID: <002201c765e5$3d901f40$b8b05dc0$@com>

Does anyone know what the "default" directory for the MP3PLAYER application
is?  In order for a mp3 to play I have to specify the path to the tune
rather than placing the tune in the appropriate directory.  This is part of
the mpg123 installation.

 

Thanks

Lee

 

 

 

 

If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights work?

 


From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Wed Mar 14 07:10:21 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:10:21 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] MP#PLAYER App
In-Reply-To: <002201c765e5$3d901f40$b8b05dc0$@com>
References: <002201c765e5$3d901f40$b8b05dc0$@com>
Message-ID: <45F7F43D.90207@stromberg-carlson.org>

In the 1.2 versions of asterisk, it is specified in musiconhold.conf
directory=/var/lib/asterisk/mohmp3
Additional details need to be supplied when using a stream

1.4 appears to be different

John Novack

Lee Spenadel wrote:
> Does anyone know what the "default" directory for the MP3PLAYER application
> is?  In order for a mp3 to play I have to specify the path to the tune
> rather than placing the tune in the appropriate directory.  This is part of
> the mpg123 installation.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
> Lee
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights work?
>
>  
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From lee at spenadel.com  Wed Mar 14 07:36:46 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:36:46 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] MP#PLAYER App
In-Reply-To: <45F7F43D.90207@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <002201c765e5$3d901f40$b8b05dc0$@com>
	<45F7F43D.90207@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <000401c7663d$d01788f0$70469ad0$@com>

That's true for music-on-hold uses.  However, this doesn't work if you just
want to play an MP3 outside of MOH, which is what I'm trying to do.  

exten => ${OFFICECODE}extension
number,n,MP3PLAYER,/var/lib/asterisk/mohmp3/Peace-Train.mp3   - this works

exten => ${OFFICECODE}extension number,n,MP3PLAYER,Peace-Train.mp3  - this
does not work.

So I'm thinking that the MP3PLAYER application has its own default directory
for music files.

Lee



-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
John Novack
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:10 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] MP#PLAYER App

In the 1.2 versions of asterisk, it is specified in musiconhold.conf
directory=/var/lib/asterisk/mohmp3
Additional details need to be supplied when using a stream

1.4 appears to be different

John Novack

Lee Spenadel wrote:
> Does anyone know what the "default" directory for the MP3PLAYER
application
> is?  In order for a mp3 to play I have to specify the path to the tune
> rather than placing the tune in the appropriate directory.  This is part
of
> the mpg123 installation.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
> Lee
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights
work?
>
>  
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   
_______________________________________________
VoIP mailing list
VoIP at ckts.info
http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/


From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Wed Mar 14 07:47:33 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:47:33 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] MP#PLAYER App
In-Reply-To: <000401c7663d$d01788f0$70469ad0$@com>
References: <002201c765e5$3d901f40$b8b05dc0$@com>
	<45F7F43D.90207@stromberg-carlson.org>
	<000401c7663d$d01788f0$70469ad0$@com>
Message-ID: <20070314084733.1s63vm68000k4w0g@mail.shaneyoung.com>

It's possible it doesn't have a "default" location:

Titan*CLI> show application MP3Player
Titan*CLI>
   -= Info about application 'MP3Player' =-

[Synopsis]
Play an MP3 file or stream

[Description]
   MP3Player(location) Executes mpg123 to play the given location,
which typically would be a filename or a URL. User can exit by pressing
any key on the dialpad, or by hanging up.








Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:

> That's true for music-on-hold uses.  However, this doesn't work if you just
> want to play an MP3 outside of MOH, which is what I'm trying to do.
>
> exten => ${OFFICECODE}extension
> number,n,MP3PLAYER,/var/lib/asterisk/mohmp3/Peace-Train.mp3   - this works
>
> exten => ${OFFICECODE}extension number,n,MP3PLAYER,Peace-Train.mp3  - this
> does not work.
>
> So I'm thinking that the MP3PLAYER application has its own default directory
> for music files.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> John Novack
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:10 AM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] MP#PLAYER App
>
> In the 1.2 versions of asterisk, it is specified in musiconhold.conf
> directory=/var/lib/asterisk/mohmp3
> Additional details need to be supplied when using a stream
>
> 1.4 appears to be different
>
> John Novack
>
> Lee Spenadel wrote:
>> Does anyone know what the "default" directory for the MP3PLAYER
> application
>> is?  In order for a mp3 to play I have to specify the path to the tune
>> rather than placing the tune in the appropriate directory.  This is part
> of
>> the mpg123 installation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights
> work?
>>
>>
>>
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From pdwills at verizon.net  Wed Mar 14 07:59:24 2007
From: pdwills at verizon.net (Paul Wills)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:59:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Codec (or is it Codecies?)
Message-ID: <10982664.733741173880764380.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net>

I'm afraid that I may have totally messed up my list of codecs.

For an installation that is using SIP internally and IAX over the network, does anyone have a list of the most appropriate codecs and the optimum preference order?

Thanks,

PDW

From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Wed Mar 14 08:42:38 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:42:38 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Codec (or is it Codecies?)
In-Reply-To: <10982664.733741173880764380.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <10982664.733741173880764380.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20070314094238.o0un525eimso0484@mail.shaneyoung.com>

Basic rule of thumb is always use an uncompressed codec unless you  
need/want to use a compressed codec for a particular reason.


For your internal on-lan devices, I would:

disallow=all
allow=ulaw

On my external devices, I still prefer ulaw beacuse I'd rather use it  
(it sounds better) but allow others to connect to me with codecs they  
my prefer.

So, I might have something like this:

disallow=all
allow=ulaw
allow=g726
allow=gsm

The amount of bandwidth used depends on a lot of things including the  
transport type (ethernet, ADSL, etc)

ulaw= about 80-106kbps
g726= about 48-94kbps
gsm=  about 29-63kbps


Quoting Paul Wills <pdwills at verizon.net>:

> I'm afraid that I may have totally messed up my list of codecs.
>
> For an installation that is using SIP internally and IAX over the   
> network, does anyone have a list of the most appropriate codecs and   
> the optimum preference order?
>
> Thanks,
>
> PDW
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From pdwills at verizon.net  Wed Mar 14 08:48:40 2007
From: pdwills at verizon.net (Paul Wills)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:48:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [VoIP] Codec (or is it Codecies?)
Message-ID: <10079796.750251173883720710.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net>

Great! Thanks.  I will make the changes tonight.

PDW


>From: Shane Young <voiptandem at shaneyoung.com>
>Date: 2007/03/14 Wed AM 09:42:38 CDT
>To: voip at ckts.info
>Subject: Re: [VoIP] Codec (or is it Codecies?)

>Basic rule of thumb is always use an uncompressed codec unless you  
>need/want to use a compressed codec for a particular reason.
>
>
>For your internal on-lan devices, I would:
>
>disallow=all
>allow=ulaw
>
>On my external devices, I still prefer ulaw beacuse I'd rather use it  
>(it sounds better) but allow others to connect to me with codecs they  
>my prefer.
>
>So, I might have something like this:
>
>disallow=all
>allow=ulaw
>allow=g726
>allow=gsm
>
>The amount of bandwidth used depends on a lot of things including the  
>transport type (ethernet, ADSL, etc)
>
>ulaw= about 80-106kbps
>g726= about 48-94kbps
>gsm=  about 29-63kbps
>
>
>Quoting Paul Wills <pdwills at verizon.net>:
>
>> I'm afraid that I may have totally messed up my list of codecs.
>>
>> For an installation that is using SIP internally and IAX over the   
>> network, does anyone have a list of the most appropriate codecs and   
>> the optimum preference order?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> PDW
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
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>>
>
>--Shane
>+1-821-7311 CNET
>
>
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From kirtley.stanfield at comcast.net  Wed Mar 14 09:21:21 2007
From: kirtley.stanfield at comcast.net (Kirt Stanfield)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:21:21 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] 366 No Such Level
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070303160956.027098a0@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070303160956.027098a0@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <45F812F1.8080401@comcast.net>

Doug,

Sounds interesting - if it were just a little more radical it would 
sound like the tone on the old Bell Dimension systems from the late 70's 
and earlt 80's.

Kirt

Doug Alderdice wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>Got a temporary no such level/all circuits busy tone working on the switch 
>here.  It's 400 Hz 120 IPM generated out of another uP chip I had kicking 
>around here.  I need to integrate the tone into the main uP that's the tone 
>generator and interrupter on the switch.  This was kind of a proof of 
>concept thing I did today.
>
>It is dialable from the CNET, 366-34XX will reach it.  It is also locally 
>reachable on the other unused levels of the switch, but 34XX is the only 
>one I currently have opened to CNET access.
>
>With the audio path open, you'll hear the selector buzz across the level to 
>the 11th position.
>
>Enjoy.
>
>Doug.
>
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>  
>


From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 14 12:49:28 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:49:28 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
Message-ID: <000b01c76669$7ebd8fa0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
On Friday I won a Western Electric 2500 desk phone. I got it in the mail
today, and am having a problem with it, and am just wondering if I got a
defective unit and need to contact the seller, or if this is a known issue.
The phone works fine when hooked up to my Bell South POTS line. However,
when hooked up to either my IAXy or an unused but powered Packet8 BPA-410
ATA, the keypad doesn't work. When I press a key, I hear a very brief bit of
the proper touchtone, but it's nowhere near enough to register. When doing
an echo test, there are little blips that I can hear on another phone, which
continue for as long as the key is held down. Is there a problem with the
power provided by these devices, or is the phone defective? Once again, it
works fine on my PSTN line.
Thanks.
Jayson


From BurwellJ at FirstCharter.com  Wed Mar 14 12:55:30 2007
From: BurwellJ at FirstCharter.com (Jason Burwell)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:55:30 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <000b01c76669$7ebd8fa0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>

Early Touchtone phones were polarity sensitive. If you reverse the pair
it should work like a champ.

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf
Of Jayson Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:49 PM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question

Hi,
On Friday I won a Western Electric 2500 desk phone. I got it in the mail
today, and am having a problem with it, and am just wondering if I got a
defective unit and need to contact the seller, or if this is a known
issue.
The phone works fine when hooked up to my Bell South POTS line. However,
when hooked up to either my IAXy or an unused but powered Packet8
BPA-410
ATA, the keypad doesn't work. When I press a key, I hear a very brief
bit of
the proper touchtone, but it's nowhere near enough to register. When
doing
an echo test, there are little blips that I can hear on another phone,
which
continue for as long as the key is held down. Is there a problem with
the
power provided by these devices, or is the phone defective? Once again,
it
works fine on my PSTN line.
Thanks.
Jayson

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From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 14 12:57:27 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:57:27 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hello,
So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some wires
reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Burwell" <BurwellJ at FirstCharter.com>
To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: [VoIP] WE 2500 question


Early Touchtone phones were polarity sensitive. If you reverse the pair
it should work like a champ.

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf
Of Jayson Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:49 PM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question

Hi,
On Friday I won a Western Electric 2500 desk phone. I got it in the mail
today, and am having a problem with it, and am just wondering if I got a
defective unit and need to contact the seller, or if this is a known
issue.
The phone works fine when hooked up to my Bell South POTS line. However,
when hooked up to either my IAXy or an unused but powered Packet8
BPA-410
ATA, the keypad doesn't work. When I press a key, I hear a very brief
bit of
the proper touchtone, but it's nowhere near enough to register. When
doing
an echo test, there are little blips that I can hear on another phone,
which
continue for as long as the key is held down. Is there a problem with
the
power provided by these devices, or is the phone defective? Once again,
it
works fine on my PSTN line.
Thanks.
Jayson

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From BurwellJ at FirstCharter.com  Wed Mar 14 13:03:08 2007
From: BurwellJ at FirstCharter.com (Jason Burwell)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:03:08 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B39@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>

It would probably be easier to just open up the phone and switch the RED
and Green wires going from the phone jack to the phone network. Since
polarity is no longer an issue for most phones some cords are reversed
and some aren't. I would guess that the reason it works on your POTS
line is that the phone company has the line reversed coming in as is the
case with mine.

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf
Of Jayson Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question

Hello,
So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some wires
reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Burwell" <BurwellJ at FirstCharter.com>
To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
Analog
Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: [VoIP] WE 2500 question


Early Touchtone phones were polarity sensitive. If you reverse the pair
it should work like a champ.

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf
Of Jayson Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:49 PM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question

Hi,
On Friday I won a Western Electric 2500 desk phone. I got it in the mail
today, and am having a problem with it, and am just wondering if I got a
defective unit and need to contact the seller, or if this is a known
issue.
The phone works fine when hooked up to my Bell South POTS line. However,
when hooked up to either my IAXy or an unused but powered Packet8
BPA-410
ATA, the keypad doesn't work. When I press a key, I hear a very brief
bit of
the proper touchtone, but it's nowhere near enough to register. When
doing
an echo test, there are little blips that I can hear on another phone,
which
continue for as long as the key is held down. Is there a problem with
the
power provided by these devices, or is the phone defective? Once again,
it
works fine on my PSTN line.
Thanks.
Jayson

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From martin at Princeton.EDU  Wed Mar 14 13:05:45 2007
From: martin at Princeton.EDU (Martin Harriss)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:05:45 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>
	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>

Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some wires
> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
> Jayson.

Jayson,

Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for 
this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)  It 
would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with and 
without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting 
out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the 
dial pad.

I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads the 
switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a 
better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its own 
accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the 
oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not sufficient 
to keep the oscillator running.

Martin

From stfkerman at jps.net  Wed Mar 14 14:06:24 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:06:24 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B39@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B39@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>
Message-ID: <45F855C0.5010803@jps.net>

I believe that some ATAs, among their other deficiencies, feed the loop 
current reversed, because as you point out "it does not matter" so why 
bother to get it right?

SK

Jason Burwell wrote:
> It would probably be easier to just open up the phone and switch the RED
> and Green wires going from the phone jack to the phone network. Since
> polarity is no longer an issue for most phones some cords are reversed
> and some aren't. I would guess that the reason it works on your POTS
> line is that the phone company has the line reversed coming in as is the
> case with mine.
>
> Jason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf
> Of Jayson Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:57 PM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
> Hello,
> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some wires
> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
> Jayson.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jason Burwell" <BurwellJ at FirstCharter.com>
> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
> Analog
> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
>
> Early Touchtone phones were polarity sensitive. If you reverse the pair
> it should work like a champ.
>
> Jason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf
> Of Jayson Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:49 PM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
> Hi,
> On Friday I won a Western Electric 2500 desk phone. I got it in the mail
> today, and am having a problem with it, and am just wondering if I got a
> defective unit and need to contact the seller, or if this is a known
> issue.
> The phone works fine when hooked up to my Bell South POTS line. However,
> when hooked up to either my IAXy or an unused but powered Packet8
> BPA-410
> ATA, the keypad doesn't work. When I press a key, I hear a very brief
> bit of
> the proper touchtone, but it's nowhere near enough to register. When
> doing
> an echo test, there are little blips that I can hear on another phone,
> which
> continue for as long as the key is held down. Is there a problem with
> the
> power provided by these devices, or is the phone defective? Once again,
> it
> works fine on my PSTN line.
> Thanks.
> Jayson
>
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From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 14 13:15:54 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:15:54 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>
	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>
Message-ID: <000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure those
voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one shipped with
the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's exactly
what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question


> Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hello,
> > So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some wires
> > reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
> > curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
> > http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
> > Jayson.
>
> Jayson,
>
> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for
> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)  It
> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with and
> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting
> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the
> dial pad.
>
> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads the
> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a
> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its own
> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the
> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not sufficient
> to keep the oscillator running.
>
> Martin
>


From stfkerman at jps.net  Wed Mar 14 14:18:35 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:18:35 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>
	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <45F8589B.3020202@jps.net>

Does the phone have a modular plug?

Do you have a modular "T" for connecting 2 phones to the same jack?

Steph

Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure those
> voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one shipped with
> the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's exactly
> what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
> Jayson.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
>
>   
>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello,
>>> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some wires
>>> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
>>> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
>>> Jayson.
>>>       
>> Jayson,
>>
>> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for
>> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)  It
>> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with and
>> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting
>> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the
>> dial pad.
>>
>> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads the
>> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a
>> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its own
>> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the
>> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not sufficient
>> to keep the oscillator running.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 14 13:22:25 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:22:25 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>
	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<45F8589B.3020202@jps.net>
Message-ID: <001601c7666e$18db2800$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
Do you mean, like a duplex/extension/whatever you call those? The phone does
have a modular jack.
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question


> Does the phone have a modular plug?
>
> Do you have a modular "T" for connecting 2 phones to the same jack?
>
> Steph
>
> Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure those
> > voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one shipped
with
> > the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's
exactly
> > what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
> > Jayson.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
> > To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
Analog
> > Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
> >
> >
> >
> >> Jayson Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some
wires
> >>> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
> >>> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
> >>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
> >>> Jayson.
> >>>
> >> Jayson,
> >>
> >> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for
> >> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)  It
> >> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with and
> >> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting
> >> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the
> >> dial pad.
> >>
> >> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads the
> >> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a
> >> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its own
> >> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the
> >> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not
sufficient
> >> to keep the oscillator running.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
> >
>


From stfkerman at jps.net  Wed Mar 14 14:27:24 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:27:24 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <001601c7666e$18db2800$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F8589B.3020202@jps.net>
	<001601c7666e$18db2800$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <45F85AAC.4080303@jps.net>

There is a widely available adapter that you plug into an existing jack 
and which has 2 jacks on the back into which 2 devices can be plugged 
instead of the single device that could have been plugged into the 
original jack.  Most people call it a "T" or "tee".  Do you have one?  
"duplex/extension" means anything and nothing to me.

Steph

Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> Do you mean, like a duplex/extension/whatever you call those? The phone does
> have a modular jack.
> Jayson.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
>
>   
>> Does the phone have a modular plug?
>>
>> Do you have a modular "T" for connecting 2 phones to the same jack?
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>> Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure those
>>> voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one shipped
>>>       
> with
>   
>>> the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's
>>>       
> exactly
>   
>>> what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
>>> Jayson.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
>>> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
>>>       
> Analog
>   
>>> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some
>>>>>           
> wires
>   
>>>>> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
>>>>> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
>>>>> Jayson.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Jayson,
>>>>
>>>> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for
>>>> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)  It
>>>> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with and
>>>> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting
>>>> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the
>>>> dial pad.
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads the
>>>> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a
>>>> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its own
>>>> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the
>>>> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not
>>>>         
> sufficient
>   
>>>> to keep the oscillator running.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> VoIP mailing list
>>> VoIP at ckts.info
>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 14 13:31:43 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:31:43 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F8589B.3020202@jps.net>
	<001601c7666e$18db2800$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<45F85AAC.4080303@jps.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7666f$65f05240$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,
Yes, we've got lots of those. We usually get them at Radio Shack. They've
got them now with two, three, four, or maybe even more jacks. I think I have
both the type that is an adaptor block, and also the type that has the phone
jacks at the other end of a long phone cord, thus my "extension" reference.
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Cc: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question


> There is a widely available adapter that you plug into an existing jack
> and which has 2 jacks on the back into which 2 devices can be plugged
> instead of the single device that could have been plugged into the
> original jack.  Most people call it a "T" or "tee".  Do you have one?
> "duplex/extension" means anything and nothing to me.
>
> Steph
>
> Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Do you mean, like a duplex/extension/whatever you call those? The phone
does
> > have a modular jack.
> > Jayson.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
> > To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
Analog
> > Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
> >
> >
> >
> >> Does the phone have a modular plug?
> >>
> >> Do you have a modular "T" for connecting 2 phones to the same jack?
> >>
> >> Steph
> >>
> >> Jayson Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure
those
> >>> voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one shipped
> >>>
> > with
> >
> >>> the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's
> >>>
> > exactly
> >
> >>> what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
> >>> Jayson.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
> >>> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
> >>>
> > Analog
> >
> >>> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Jayson Smith wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some
> >>>>>
> > wires
> >
> >>>>> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For
those
> >>>>> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
> >>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
> >>>>> Jayson.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Jayson,
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for
> >>>> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)
It
> >>>> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with
and
> >>>> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting
> >>>> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the
> >>>> dial pad.
> >>>>
> >>>> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads
the
> >>>> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a
> >>>> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its
own
> >>>> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the
> >>>> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not
> >>>>
> > sufficient
> >
> >>>> to keep the oscillator running.
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> VoIP mailing list
> >>> VoIP at ckts.info
> >>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> >>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
> >
>


From stfkerman at jps.net  Wed Mar 14 14:42:58 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:42:58 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <000401c7666f$65f05240$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F8589B.3020202@jps.net>	<001601c7666e$18db2800$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F85AAC.4080303@jps.net>
	<000401c7666f$65f05240$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <45F85E52.2090206@jps.net>

Fine. 

First let's define terms.  A plug is a male connector attached to the 
end of a cord.  A jack is a female connector, usually mounted stationary 
mounted to a surface or in a piece of equipment

Standard double plug-ended modular cords inherently reverse the polarity 
of the line.  This is because they are flat, have a ridge along one 
face, and the plugs are installed with the latching key on the same side 
as the ridge.   This reversal is normally compensated by the fact that 
the wall jack and jack in the base of the phone are different, with 
oppositely color coded contacts.  Because of this inherent reversal, if 
you connect a standard flat line cord between 2 wall jacks or 2 
telephone set base jacks you will find continuity between red at one end 
and green at the other, rather than between identical colors as you 
probably would expect.

For this reason, if you plug your phone into one jack of the "T" and use 
a second line cord to patch the second jack of the "T" to the wall, this 
will reverse the polarity fed to the phone.  The male end of the "T" 
which normally would be inserted in a wall jack is unused when using a 
"T" to reverse polarity this way.

Steph

Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> Yes, we've got lots of those. We usually get them at Radio Shack. They've
> got them now with two, three, four, or maybe even more jacks. I think I have
> both the type that is an adaptor block, and also the type that has the phone
> jacks at the other end of a long phone cord, thus my "extension" reference.
> Jayson.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> Cc: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
>
>   
>> There is a widely available adapter that you plug into an existing jack
>> and which has 2 jacks on the back into which 2 devices can be plugged
>> instead of the single device that could have been plugged into the
>> original jack.  Most people call it a "T" or "tee".  Do you have one?
>> "duplex/extension" means anything and nothing to me.
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>> Do you mean, like a duplex/extension/whatever you call those? The phone
>>>       
> does
>   
>>> have a modular jack.
>>> Jayson.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
>>> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
>>>       
> Analog
>   
>>> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Does the phone have a modular plug?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a modular "T" for connecting 2 phones to the same jack?
>>>>
>>>> Steph
>>>>
>>>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure
>>>>>           
> those
>   
>>>>> voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one shipped
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> with
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> exactly
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
>>>>> Jayson.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
>>>>> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> Analog
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>> wires
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>>> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For
>>>>>>>               
> those
>   
>>>>>>> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
>>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
>>>>>>> Jayson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Jayson,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for
>>>>>> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)
>>>>>>             
> It
>   
>>>>>> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with
>>>>>>             
> and
>   
>>>>>> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting
>>>>>> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the
>>>>>> dial pad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads
>>>>>>             
> the
>   
>>>>>> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a
>>>>>> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its
>>>>>>             
> own
>   
>>>>>> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the
>>>>>> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>> sufficient
>>>
>>>       
>>>>>> to keep the oscillator running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> VoIP mailing list
>>>>> VoIP at ckts.info
>>>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> VoIP mailing list
>>> VoIP at ckts.info
>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Wed Mar 14 13:55:34 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:55:34 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>
	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <45F85336.7000900@stromberg-carlson.org>

The IAXy also has a fairly low voltage power supply, 6 VDC/ At least the 
one laying on my desk does.
I would bet that the loop current through the IAXy and the 2500 set 
aren't enough to keep the TT osc. going
This assumes that the polarity of the line to the phone is correct.

John Novack


Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure those
> voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one shipped with
> the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's exactly
> what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
> Jayson.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog
> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
>
>   
>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello,
>>> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some wires
>>> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For those
>>> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
>>> Jayson.
>>>       
>> Jayson,
>>
>> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage for
>> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)  It
>> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with and
>> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is putting
>> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run the
>> dial pad.
>>
>> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads the
>> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of a
>> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its own
>> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting the
>> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not sufficient
>> to keep the oscillator running.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>     
>
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From ratguy at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 14 14:34:09 2007
From: ratguy at bellsouth.net (Jayson Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:34:09 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F8589B.3020202@jps.net>	<001601c7666e$18db2800$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F85AAC.4080303@jps.net>
	<000401c7666f$65f05240$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<45F85E52.2090206@jps.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c76678$1e72d7e0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hello,
The polarity reversal idea worked! I didn't seriously think it would. I'd
pretty much decided that my IAXy wasn't providing enough power. But doing
what Steph suggested fixed the problem! Thanks everybody!
Jayson.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
Cc: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question


> Fine.
>
> First let's define terms.  A plug is a male connector attached to the
> end of a cord.  A jack is a female connector, usually mounted stationary
> mounted to a surface or in a piece of equipment
>
> Standard double plug-ended modular cords inherently reverse the polarity
> of the line.  This is because they are flat, have a ridge along one
> face, and the plugs are installed with the latching key on the same side
> as the ridge.   This reversal is normally compensated by the fact that
> the wall jack and jack in the base of the phone are different, with
> oppositely color coded contacts.  Because of this inherent reversal, if
> you connect a standard flat line cord between 2 wall jacks or 2
> telephone set base jacks you will find continuity between red at one end
> and green at the other, rather than between identical colors as you
> probably would expect.
>
> For this reason, if you plug your phone into one jack of the "T" and use
> a second line cord to patch the second jack of the "T" to the wall, this
> will reverse the polarity fed to the phone.  The male end of the "T"
> which normally would be inserted in a wall jack is unused when using a
> "T" to reverse polarity this way.
>
> Steph
>
> Jayson Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Yes, we've got lots of those. We usually get them at Radio Shack.
They've
> > got them now with two, three, four, or maybe even more jacks. I think I
have
> > both the type that is an adaptor block, and also the type that has the
phone
> > jacks at the other end of a long phone cord, thus my "extension"
reference.
> > Jayson.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
> > To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> > Cc: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
> >
> >
> >
> >> There is a widely available adapter that you plug into an existing jack
> >> and which has 2 jacks on the back into which 2 devices can be plugged
> >> instead of the single device that could have been plugged into the
> >> original jack.  Most people call it a "T" or "tee".  Do you have one?
> >> "duplex/extension" means anything and nothing to me.
> >>
> >> Steph
> >>
> >> Jayson Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Do you mean, like a duplex/extension/whatever you call those? The
phone
> >>>
> > does
> >
> >>> have a modular jack.
> >>> Jayson.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
> >>> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
> >>>
> > Analog
> >
> >>> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:18 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Does the phone have a modular plug?
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you have a modular "T" for connecting 2 phones to the same jack?
> >>>>
> >>>> Steph
> >>>>
> >>>> Jayson Smith wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> Unfortunately, being blind, I'm not in a good position to measure
> >>>>>
> > those
> >
> >>>>> voltages. I just tried several phone cords, including the one
shipped
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> the phone, on my unused BPA-410. None worked. I like the phone, it's
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> exactly
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> what I wanted, I just wish it'd work on my IAXy!
> >>>>> Jayson.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>> From: "Martin Harriss" <martin at Princeton.EDU>
> >>>>> To: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>; "Voice Over IP Tandem for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> Analog
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:05 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Jayson Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>> So is this saying, I'd need to somehow get a phone cord with some
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> wires
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> reversed?  I'll try the phone cord that came with the thing. For
> >>>>>>>
> > those
> >
> >>>>>>> curious people among you, here's a recording of what I'm getting.
> >>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/2500.wav
> >>>>>>> Jayson.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jayson,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you in a position to measure the off-hook and on-hook voltage
for
> >>>>>> this phone/ATA combination?  (Or have someone else do it for you?)
> >>>>>>
> > It
> >
> >>>>>> would also be interesting to measure the off-hook voltage both with
> >>>>>>
> > and
> >
> >>>>>> without one of the dial keys pressed.  I wonder if the ATA is
putting
> >>>>>> out enough voltage (especially when the phone is off-hook) to run
the
> >>>>>> dial pad.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I seem to recall that when you pressed a key on those old dial pads
> >>>>>>
> > the
> >
> >>>>>> switch contacts somehow generated an electronic "kick" (for want of
a
> >>>>>> better word) to start the oscillator, which then kept going of its
> >>>>>>
> > own
> >
> >>>>>> accord.  I wonder if what you are hearing is this "kick" starting
the
> >>>>>> oscillator for a few cycles, but then the line voltage is not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> sufficient
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> to keep the oscillator running.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> VoIP mailing list
> >>>>> VoIP at ckts.info
> >>>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> >>>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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>


From stfkerman at jps.net  Wed Mar 14 15:45:37 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:45:37 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
In-Reply-To: <000f01c76678$1e72d7e0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <697161D0107BAD40AFE9A86B06509AC90D6F4B37@FCEXCLUSTER.FirstCharter.com>	<000401c7666a$9c730a60$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F84789.6030508@Princeton.EDU>	<000f01c7666d$301fb040$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F8589B.3020202@jps.net>	<001601c7666e$18db2800$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F85AAC.4080303@jps.net>	<000401c7666f$65f05240$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<45F85E52.2090206@jps.net>
	<000f01c76678$1e72d7e0$0600a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <45F86D01.9010000@jps.net>

I'm not surprised though.  It's unlikely that a loop interface that can 
drive an electronic phone would not be capable of driving a 2500 set.  A 
conventional 2500 set with L-C dial is specified to work down to 23mA 
and doesn't quit abruptly until the current is substantially below that, 
although the tones may be out of spec.  Passive telephones like this 
will draw loop current at much lower applied voltages than most 
electronic telephones.   The dial uses a germanium transistor which can 
also work at very low voltage.

Electronic telephones contain a rectifier bridge to assure proper 
polarity at the speech network IC and use speech network ICs having 
higher conduction threshholds than most any passive phone  These two 
factors together generally mean that electronic phones require a higher 
applied voltage than a 2500 set.

Steph

Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> The polarity reversal idea worked! I didn't seriously think it would. I'd
> pretty much decided that my IAXy wasn't providing enough power. But doing
> what Steph suggested fixed the problem! Thanks everybody!
> Jayson.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
> Cc: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>
>
>   
>> Fine.
>>
>> First let's define terms.  A plug is a male connector attached to the
>> end of a cord.  A jack is a female connector, usually mounted stationary
>> mounted to a surface or in a piece of equipment
>>
>> Standard double plug-ended modular cords inherently reverse the polarity
>> of the line.  This is because they are flat, have a ridge along one
>> face, and the plugs are installed with the latching key on the same side
>> as the ridge.   This reversal is normally compensated by the fact that
>> the wall jack and jack in the base of the phone are different, with
>> oppositely color coded contacts.  Because of this inherent reversal, if
>> you connect a standard flat line cord between 2 wall jacks or 2
>> telephone set base jacks you will find continuity between red at one end
>> and green at the other, rather than between identical colors as you
>> probably would expect.
>>
>> For this reason, if you plug your phone into one jack of the "T" and use
>> a second line cord to patch the second jack of the "T" to the wall, this
>> will reverse the polarity fed to the phone.  The male end of the "T"
>> which normally would be inserted in a wall jack is unused when using a
>> "T" to reverse polarity this way.
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, we've got lots of those. We usually get them at Radio Shack.
>>>       
> They've
>   
>>> got them now with two, three, four, or maybe even more jacks. I think I
>>>       
> have
>   
>>> both the type that is an adaptor block, and also the type that has the
>>>       
> phone
>   
>>> jacks at the other end of a long phone cord, thus my "extension"
>>>       
> reference.
>   
>>> Jayson.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
>>> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
>>> Cc: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at bellsouth.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] WE 2500 question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> There is a widely available adapter that you plug into an existing jack
>>>> and which has 2 jacks on the back into which 2 devices can be plugged
>>>> instead of the single device th