[VoIP] (no subject)

Sun Mar 25 08:31:16 CST 2007

Jayson,

I was not saying this particular issue would shut down CNET (except for 
PSTN acces from/to it) - I am just saying that the current climate might 
lead to something that might. Hopefully I am worrying too much.

Kirt

Jayson Smith wrote:

>Hello,
>Okay, I'm not a legal expert or anything, but if their problem is with ways
>of routing Voip traffic to the PSTN, then as far as I know, CNET would still
>be able to exist, as long as nobody allows any sort of access to the PSTN
>through their switches. Just my $0.02 worth. Oops, forgot to add the $0.99
>dialtone fea to that. So that's my $1.01 worth!
>Jayson
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Kirt Stanfield" <kirtley.stanfield at comcast.net>
>To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at ckts.info>
>Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [VoIP] (no subject)
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>>Personally I found the report I read about this in the Washington Post a
>>bit alarming. A jury has agreed with Verizon, and so has a judge. I see
>>it as something I have been fearing, the re-emergence of Ma Bell and her
>>monopoly. If this ruling stands,  then I imagine it won't be long before
>>they cook up a way to stop all VOIP that isn't run by a Bell - and then
>>it is bye-bye CNET, and of course competition in the phone industry.
>>
>>In the Judge Green era, the solution would probably ahve been to say OK
>>Verizon, you have the patent, but in the interests of competition you
>>must license it at a reasonable fee. I can't see that happening today.
>>
>>Unfortunately  if the shoe was on the other foot, Vonage probably
>>wouldn't have a chance against Verizon. Shades of Armstrongs battle
>>against RCA over FM.
>>
>>Kirt
>>
>>John R. Covert wrote:
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>>>If you haven't been following this, yesterday the judge ordered Vonage
>>>to stop infringing the patents.  He found (as Verizon had requested)
>>>that paying royalties would not be sufficient to "prevent erosion of
>>>[Verizon's] customer base."  Vonage must stop operating gateways from
>>>the Internet into the PSTN.  The judge did not immediately sign his
>>>order and scheduled another hearing for April 6th at which Vonage
>>>will argue against the shutown.
>>>
>>>I've gotten the details of the specific claims and patents that the
>>>jury found to have been infringed, and it's really ridiculous.
>>>Basically, the claims in first two patents are the supposed invention
>>>of using ENUM to route a call to a PSTN gateway, and the claims in the
>>>third are the supposed invention of using a SIP or IAX REGISTER command
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>>>from a device using wireless access to the Internet.  Everything they
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>>>claim is covered by the relevant internet RFCs.  Of course, simply
>>>being in an RFC doesn't make the patent invalid.  Construction, whose
>>>art is the earliest, and other elements all come into play.
>>>
>>>If these claims hold up, they appear to me to be sufficiently broad
>>>that the would require all VoIP egress from the Internet into the PSTN
>>>to stop.  I think that is unlikely.
>>>
>>>Specific claims infringed:
>>>6,104,711
>>>
>>>20. A method as in claim 15; wherein:
>>>the first and second destination address includes a numeric Internet
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>Protocol
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>>>address; and the second destination address further includes information
>>>relating to call routing via a public switched telephone network.
>>>
>>>[15 not listed as infringed, but needed to understand 20]
>>>15. A method comprising:
>>>receiving a name translation request at a server coupled to a public
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>packet
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>>>data network; executing a conditional analysis in response to the name
>>>translation request; if the conditional analysis produces a first result,
>>>translating a name included in the name translation request into a first
>>>destination address; if the conditional analysis produces a second
>>>      
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>result,
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>>>translating the name included in the name translation request into a
>>>      
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>second
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>>>destination address; and transmitting a response message containing the
>>>first or the second destination address to a calling device for use in
>>>establishing communication at least partially through the public packet
>>>data network.
>>>
>>>6,282,574
>>>
>>>27. A method as in claim 26, wherein the address is an Internet Protocol
>>>address.
>>>
>>>[26 not listed as infringed, but needed to understand 27]
>>>26. A method comprising:
>>>receiving a name translation request at a server coupled to a public
>>>      
>>>
>packet
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>>>data network; translating a name included in the request into a
>>>      
>>>
>destination
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>>>telephone number associated with a name included in the request; and
>>>transmitting a reply containing both the destination telephone number
>>>and a packet data network address of a telephone gateway coupled between
>>>the public packet data network and a telephone network through the public
>>>packet data network to a calling device.
>>>
>>>6,359,880
>>>
>>>1. A method comprising:
>>>registering a wireless telephone terminal in a localized wireless gateway
>>>system; transmitting registration data identifying the gateway system
>>>      
>>>
>from
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>>>the localized wireless gateway system to a home location register
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>database
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>>>through a public packet data communication network; receiving a request
>>>      
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>>>from a calling computer coupled to the public packet data communication
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>>>network for a call to the wireless telephone terminal; in response to the
>>>request, accessing the home location register database and obtaining a
>>>      
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>packet
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>>>data address for the localized wireless gateway system; using the address
>>>      
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>to
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>>>set up a voice communication through the public packet data communication
>>>network and the localized wireless gateway system between the calling
>>>      
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>computer
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>>>and the wireless telephone terminal.
>>>
>>>6. A method as in claim 1, wherein the public packet data communication
>>>network is a packet switched network.
>>>
>>>7. A method as in claim 6, wherein the packet switched network comprises
>>>      
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>a
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>>>system of interlinked data networks using TCP/IP protocol.
>>>
>>>8. A method as in claim 7, wherein the system of interlinked data
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>networks
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>>>comprises the Internet.
>>>
>>>/john
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