[VoIP] [ATCA] The Government is Your Friend
john jones
jjones3601 at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 27 13:19:52 CDT 2007
I think this is a fair and reasonable approach.
Let's not do it!
John
----- Original Message ----
From: Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:52:05 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] [ATCA] The Government is Your Friend
IMO, we need to be thinking of our expanding hobby and how we will
accommodate the "office code" needs of the group at large. While a
seven
digit dialing plan is convenient, it will not foster growth in a
painless
manner. It's far easier to make the requisite changes to our dialing
plans
now, rather than wait when our group has doubled. My concern is how we
develop and distribute the code to each Asterisk box so that no one
gets
inadvertently disconnected from CNET.
In terms of holding office codes, I think a different approach should
be
considered. The Office Code is a "public" CNET resource that someone
removed from the pool of available office codes when they signed up for
it.
I would like to think that people only reserve an code with the
intention of
implementing it. Some office codes have been reserved for years and
are
desirable by others, yet still have no working machine associated with
it
(electro-mechanical or computer based). Wasn't the intention of this
group
to get switches connected online? IMO, I don't think that being active
on
the list justifies tying up a resource that someone else may want to
implement. The idea of splitting that office code, or carving out a
portion
of it sounds like a happy medium. This way the first person who
reserved it
can still hope to use it when their switch is running, while the other
interested person can start using it immediately. JMO.
Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf
Of
Greg Blakely
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:25 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] [ATCA] The Government is Your Friend
Hi, guys. The opinion I'm expressing below is simply that: my
opinion.
Everything is say is open to discussion. As usual, I will refrain from
being "presidential" and unilaterally imposing my beliefs on the group.
To my way of thinking, if a person is fairly active on the mailing
list,
they are showing the intention of getting their systems set up and
online. In a case like that, a 6-month rule would seem to be a bit of
an over-reach.
For those who register, and then disappear off the face of the earth, a
6-month rule would seem to be a valid timeframe.
By "disappearing", I'd like to think that we'd give at least a token
effort to find the person who reserved the codes. By that, I mean
that, if they post regularly to other telecom-related lists (TCI, ATCA,
Srowger, Etc), one of us who also haunt those lists would step forward
and say, "Yep. I know old Joe Doakes. He has every intention of
getting online as soon as John Novack finishes building him an asterisk
box."
Why would we want to go to that much trouble? To avoid hard feelings,
as much as possible.
We are getting to be a large group. As such, I'm sure that I wouldn't
like at least one or two of you. But it'd be just plain wrong for me
to
banish that individual from the system altogether. Filtering out the
"undesirables" would best be done on each individual asterisk box, for
those of us who have them built.
Okay, the rest of this message pertains only to the North American
switchers, so you UK folks can quit reading, since it'd be the kind of
stuff to glaze your eyes.
As to X11 and X00, that is a good discussion; and one I think needs to
be held.
One of us has already taken 700, in order that he can provide the long
distance carrier welcome message. And that's not a big deal. There's
not much else that's done on that NPA, since 700 is specific to each
individual LD carrier, and has historically been a way for the LD
carriers to grab the intralata traffic, back before an LPIC was
possible
in most class 5 switches.
But NPA 800, 888, 877, and 866, being toll-free NPAs, would appeal to
more than one purpose, and thus, more than one individual. For
example,
I used to have 1-800-BLAKELY. In the back of my mind, I think it'd be
cool to have that in our private network. But I would have a lot of
gall to assume that I can claim "800" to the exclusion of everyone
else.
That brings about the whole NPA can of worms. There are some of us who
use our asterisk box for our main phone system, and, so we assign NPA
200 to CNET, and that makes life easy for us.
Others of us dial 9 for a PSTN line, and 8 to access CNET.
So, some of us would have issues if we went to 10-digit dialing within
country code 1, and others would not.
I'd bet that Chad Perkins, who hold the 700 office code now, would
think
it to be more true-to-life if we were to implement 10-digit dialing, so
that his "welcome to CNET" recording would happen on 700-555-4141.
(Although I haven't asked him...)
Just thinking here: I know that the UK collectors have chosen a point
in time when all the old electromechanical stuff that they have now had
a particular dialing pattern. The pattern they chose is not at all
like
today's UK dialing patterns.
WHAT IF....
What if we were to decide to pattern ourselves after the original
design
of the NANP, declaring that the middle digit of an NPA be either a 1 or
a 0, and that office codes cannot use a 1 or a 0 as their middle digit.
IF WE DID THAT...
If we did that, we could have our asterisk boxes set to dial ten digits
if the second digit is a one or a zero, and dial only seven digits if
otherwise. That might make it convenient for both those of us who want
to use 7-digit codes and those who want ten digit dialing.
OKAY.. All that said, here is my LAST opinion of the day (finally...
Whew!)
I believe that X11 should be internal to each individual switch, unless
a switcher arranges with another to use an announcement or other
service
from their switch, in which case it would be a private 2-party-only
connection. For example, if David Josephson, who has 555-1212, wants
to
provide a '411' service, we could each individually arrange with him
for
a username/password connection with him.
Or, maybe 411 should universally point at David.
911 -- Well, let's not go there. 911 isn't anything to be trifled
with;
it should go to your own PSTN line, so that, when you have that massive
stroke, your wife will be calling the paramedics where you live, rather
than ringing a phone at some guy's house halfway across the country.
Well, I'm done pontificating. As I said, these are only MY opinions.
Anyone else care to disagree with all or part?
Have a good Saturday, folks.
-= Greg =-
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info]
> On Behalf Of Lee Spenadel
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:25 PM
> To: 'Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches';
> jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org
> Cc: ATCA at LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] [ATCA] The Government is Your Friend
>
> At least limit the time period that one can hoard / stockpile
> / not implement CNET office codes before releasing it back to
> the wanting public.
> This may defer the need to implement NPAs. Though like the
> Internet IPv4 addressing scheme, no one ever thought that
> there would be a shortage of IP addresses back then. I can
> think of a special someone who is sitting on four office
> codes allowing them to collect dust. And now we have IPv6.......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info]
> On Behalf Of Arthur Bloom
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:42 PM
> To: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org; Voice Over IP Tandem for
> Analog Switches
> Cc: Voice Over IP; ATCA at LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] [ATCA] The Government is Your Friend
>
> ...or the introduction of Cnet NPA's?
>
> ..and limit the area codes to the "original" format?
>
> ...and limit the use of N00 and N11 prefixes?
>
> apb
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Novack" <jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org>
> To: "Arthur Bloom" <m35prod at optonline.net>
> Cc: "Voice Over IP" <voip at ckts.info>; <ATCA at LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] [ATCA] The Government is Your Friend
>
>
> |
> |
> | Arthur Bloom wrote:
> | > http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/tollfree.html
> | >
> | > If you scroll down to the "hoarding" area, you will be pleasantly
> surprised
> | > to find that the FCC knows what you need, and can predict
> what you
> intend to
> | > use. I feel somehow relieved that they have such concern for me.
> | >
> | > "A subscriber may not acquire more toll-free numbers than
> the subscriber
> | > intends to use."
> | >
> | > APB 1783
> | >
> | HMMM!
> | Reminds me of some who have registered office codes on Cnet.
> |
> | Perhaps we need a 6 month rule?
> |
> | John Novack
> | > == + == + == + == + == + == + == + == + == + == + == + == + == +
> | > ATCA Picture pages are at http://atcaonline.com/pictures
> | > No password needed for viewing. For posting the PW = Phones
> | >
> | >
> |
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