From greg at vyger.net  Sat Sep  1 19:02:25 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:02:25 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Reduced service -- yet again
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686440@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

Well, my funky old 586 machine at work lasted an entire week before it
went to hell.  So, test numbers that terminated on or through that box
are not functional.
 
I have managed to call-forward the PSTN portal number (over IP) to my
home machine.
 
The rest will have to wait until I return to work, about a month from
now, I'd guess.

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Sun Sep  2 16:55:35 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:55:35 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] This und That
Message-ID: <46DB3157.2080105@stromberg-carlson.org>

I just returned from the TCI Labor day show, partially ride sharing with 
John Jones, MR Cisco, and we both had a great time  John is great to 
travel with, and so is Sweetie.
John did configuration on 3 Cisco 3810's and of course my Asterisk quit 
while I was away.
No idea yet why. The box was up but Asterisk not running.
The last version released of 1.2.24

Steve Floke now has a ready to install Asterisk box and 3810, so in the 
next couple of weeks NPA 942 may be on line.
Dennis Hock now has a configured 3810 to add to his configuration.
The 3rd Box is for Nathan Watson. He may be a bit longer going on line.

And while I was away one of my smoke detectors is chirping, so I had 
better go replace its battery.

John Novack

-- 
Dog is my co-pilot


From lee at spenadel.com  Sun Sep  2 09:41:24 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:41:24 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc
Message-ID: <074d01c7ed6f$5622c320$02684960$@com>

Greg,

 

I agree with you regarding being involved with such a great hobby.  Most of
us are fair, reasonable people that are genuinely interested in helping
others get involved in the hobby, build the knowledgebase and enhance
services for the group's benefit.  However, there are those who take
advantage of the system and others good nature.  There will be those who tie
up resources (such as office codes) with no intention of implementing a
switch.

 

Unfortunately said people can't think outside of their own bubble, so (in my
opinion) having the automated MW check is just one means to keep turf wars,
flaming and other poor behavior to a minimum, especially as the hobby gains
more interest.  It keeps the tranquility by automatically weeding out
potential problems.  But this is only one example of managing resources such
as office codes.  There may be other resources that need to be managed as
well.

 

As the hobby continues to grow and resources become scarce, it will be more
difficult to manage these resources.  By thinking ahead now and managing the
"system" we ensure orderly growth and a fair implementation across the
board.

 

Lee

 

 

 

 

 

<snip>

 

 

It's great that we are thinking ahead, heading off situations where

feelings could be hurt, and angry words exchanged.  

 

It probably will happen eventually, but I am confident that we will be

able to sort things out as they happen.

 

So, I favor the organized anarchy that seems to be the status quo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


From greg at vyger.net  Sun Sep  2 23:44:27 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:44:27 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686449@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

Lee,

	As you alluded to, our group isn't quite big enough to run short
on resources yet.  So, conflicts are rare, and those that come up could
**probably** be worked out by a phone call.

A phone call?

Yes.  Yes, and YES.!!!

It eliminates flame wars, gets across nuances in tone-of-voice, and
provides an instantaneous 2-way give and take that would lead to a
solution.

Anyhow, that's my opinion on September 2, 2007, with a bit of Percocet
circulating throughout the system.

Greg
	
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info 
> [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On Behalf Of Lee Spenadel
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:4	1 AM
> To: 'Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches'
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc
> 
> Greg,
> 
>  
> 
> I agree with you regarding being involved with such a great 
> hobby.  Most of us are fair, reasonable people that are 
> genuinely interested in helping others get involved in the 
> hobby, build the knowledgebase and enhance services for the 
> group's benefit.  However, there are those who take advantage 
> of the system and others good nature.  There will be those 
> who tie up resources (such as office codes) with no intention 
> of implementing a switch.
> 
>  
> 
> Unfortunately said people can't think outside of their own 
> bubble, so (in my
> opinion) having the automated MW check is just one means to 
> keep turf wars, flaming and other poor behavior to a minimum, 
> especially as the hobby gains more interest.  It keeps the 
> tranquility by automatically weeding out potential problems.  
> But this is only one example of managing resources such as 
> office codes.  There may be other resources that need to be 
> managed as well.
> 
>  
> 
> As the hobby continues to grow and resources become scarce, 
> it will be more difficult to manage these resources.  By 
> thinking ahead now and managing the "system" we ensure 
> orderly growth and a fair implementation across the board.
> 
>  
> 
> Lee
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> <snip>
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> It's great that we are thinking ahead, heading off situations where
> 
> feelings could be hurt, and angry words exchanged.  
> 
>  
> 
> It probably will happen eventually, but I am confident that we will be
> 
> able to sort things out as they happen.
> 
>  
> 
> So, I favor the organized anarchy that seems to be the status quo.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> 
> 

From mark at rudholm.com  Sun Sep  2 21:34:57 2007
From: mark at rudholm.com (Mark Rudholm)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:57 -0700
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Era
In-Reply-To: <684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46DB72D1.3050303@rudholm.com>

This is kind of depressing.  I hadn't realize that
the time service had already been discontinued in
most of the country.

It seems hard to believe that it is that expensive
to operate and that the demand is that low.  If you
try calling it on the day of a time change it's
sometimes hard to even get through.

Another similar system that is being shut down is
the National Weather Service's +1 213 554 XXXX.
I used to call that one and Pacific Telephone's
Newsline on +1 213 621 4141 almost daily when I
was a kid.  If you call the weather number now the
recording explains that the new number is +1 805
988 6610.  At least it's not dying completely.

I remember when we had step switches in my CO.
You could reach the time by just dialing 853, and
the weather by dialing just 554.

ikjtel wrote:
> FWIW, via slashdot
> 
> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
> pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
> time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
> service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
> digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> Actually, the service had already stopped in most
> states, but Nevada and California ? with their large
> rural and unmapped areas ? were still holding out,
> should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
> the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
> which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
> contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
> system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
> end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
> its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
> 
> Full article at
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?coll=la-home-center

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Mon Sep  3 07:37:07 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:37:07 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc
In-Reply-To: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686449@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
References: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686449@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
Message-ID: <46DBFFF3.6090504@stromberg-carlson.org>



Greg Blakely wrote:
> Anyhow, that's my opinion on September 2, 2007, with a bit of Percocet
> circulating throughout the system.
>
> Greg
>   
When I had a prolonged healing time for my broken leg many moons ago, 
the ( legal ) drug of choice then was Percodan, probably a predecessor.
Certainly took off the rough edges.
Anyone wanting to increase their tolerance for pain, break a leg!

Back on topic, Dennis Hock and I had a very short discussion at the 
show, and we thought that perhaps something similar to what the UK boys 
have set up as a policy might work.
On the trip back, John Jones and I discussed the possibility of a longer 
time period, with some token payment after that period to support the 
continued existence of the ENUM reference point might also prod some 
activity.
Or reserved codes marked as unused for XX time?
Even a token payment some day might become necessary from all the 
members to keep things alive.
Currently there is certainly no shortage of office codes, but a few 
sitting on desirable codes that someone else might be ready to use, but 
discouraged from doing so because they are marked as reserved may have 
an effect on growth.
Perhaps even  a short paragraph on the reservation list to contact  ??? 
if a reserved but unused code is desired by someone else?
I can see several right now that I feel sure will NEVER be used in my 
lifetime, but marked as reserved.
General thoughts on what currently isn't much of a problem.
Perhaps address it before it becomes one?

Hope all in the US are having a calm holiday.
I need to fire up the mower soon myself!

John Novack

> 	
>  
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info 
>> [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On Behalf Of Lee Spenadel
>> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:4	1 AM
>> To: 'Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches'
>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc
>>
>> Greg,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I agree with you regarding being involved with such a great 
>> hobby.  Most of us are fair, reasonable people that are 
>> genuinely interested in helping others get involved in the 
>> hobby, build the knowledgebase and enhance services for the 
>> group's benefit.  However, there are those who take advantage 
>> of the system and others good nature.  There will be those 
>> who tie up resources (such as office codes) with no intention 
>> of implementing a switch.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Unfortunately said people can't think outside of their own 
>> bubble, so (in my
>> opinion) having the automated MW check is just one means to 
>> keep turf wars, flaming and other poor behavior to a minimum, 
>> especially as the hobby gains more interest.  It keeps the 
>> tranquility by automatically weeding out potential problems.  
>> But this is only one example of managing resources such as 
>> office codes.  There may be other resources that need to be 
>> managed as well.
>>
>>  
>>
>> As the hobby continues to grow and resources become scarce, 
>> it will be more difficult to manage these resources.  By 
>> thinking ahead now and managing the "system" we ensure 
>> orderly growth and a fair implementation across the board.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> It's great that we are thinking ahead, heading off situations where
>>
>> feelings could be hurt, and angry words exchanged.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> It probably will happen eventually, but I am confident that we will be
>>
>> able to sort things out as they happen.
>>
>>  
>>
>> So, I favor the organized anarchy that seems to be the status quo.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

-- 
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From lee at spenadel.com  Mon Sep  3 08:04:13 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:04:13 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc
In-Reply-To: <46DBFFF3.6090504@stromberg-carlson.org>
References: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686449@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
	<46DBFFF3.6090504@stromberg-carlson.org>
Message-ID: <07ac01c7ee2a$edd00aa0$c9701fe0$@com>

Very good point, John.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On
Behalf Of John Novack
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc



Greg Blakely wrote:
> Anyhow, that's my opinion on September 2, 2007, with a bit of Percocet
> circulating throughout the system.
>
> Greg
>   
When I had a prolonged healing time for my broken leg many moons ago, 
the ( legal ) drug of choice then was Percodan, probably a predecessor.
Certainly took off the rough edges.
Anyone wanting to increase their tolerance for pain, break a leg!

Back on topic, Dennis Hock and I had a very short discussion at the 
show, and we thought that perhaps something similar to what the UK boys 
have set up as a policy might work.
On the trip back, John Jones and I discussed the possibility of a longer 
time period, with some token payment after that period to support the 
continued existence of the ENUM reference point might also prod some 
activity.
Or reserved codes marked as unused for XX time?
Even a token payment some day might become necessary from all the 
members to keep things alive.
Currently there is certainly no shortage of office codes, but a few 
sitting on desirable codes that someone else might be ready to use, but 
discouraged from doing so because they are marked as reserved may have 
an effect on growth.
Perhaps even  a short paragraph on the reservation list to contact  ??? 
if a reserved but unused code is desired by someone else?
I can see several right now that I feel sure will NEVER be used in my 
lifetime, but marked as reserved.
General thoughts on what currently isn't much of a problem.
Perhaps address it before it becomes one?

Hope all in the US are having a calm holiday.
I need to fire up the mower soon myself!

John Novack

> 	
>  
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info 
>> [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On Behalf Of Lee Spenadel
>> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:4	1 AM
>> To: 'Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches'
>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Rules, Regulations, Etc
>>
>> Greg,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I agree with you regarding being involved with such a great 
>> hobby.  Most of us are fair, reasonable people that are 
>> genuinely interested in helping others get involved in the 
>> hobby, build the knowledgebase and enhance services for the 
>> group's benefit.  However, there are those who take advantage 
>> of the system and others good nature.  There will be those 
>> who tie up resources (such as office codes) with no intention 
>> of implementing a switch.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Unfortunately said people can't think outside of their own 
>> bubble, so (in my
>> opinion) having the automated MW check is just one means to 
>> keep turf wars, flaming and other poor behavior to a minimum, 
>> especially as the hobby gains more interest.  It keeps the 
>> tranquility by automatically weeding out potential problems.  
>> But this is only one example of managing resources such as 
>> office codes.  There may be other resources that need to be 
>> managed as well.
>>
>>  
>>
>> As the hobby continues to grow and resources become scarce, 
>> it will be more difficult to manage these resources.  By 
>> thinking ahead now and managing the "system" we ensure 
>> orderly growth and a fair implementation across the board.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> It's great that we are thinking ahead, heading off situations where
>>
>> feelings could be hurt, and angry words exchanged.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> It probably will happen eventually, but I am confident that we will be
>>
>> able to sort things out as they happen.
>>
>>  
>>
>> So, I favor the organized anarchy that seems to be the status quo.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

-- 
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From rdekema at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 12:37:02 2007
From: rdekema at gmail.com (Rusty Dekema)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:37:02 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>
	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
that uses the exact phrasing:

"Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)

That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
new 269 split region for several years.

I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
have not been able to find any similar recordings.

Cheers,
Rusty





On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> FWIW, via slashdot
>
> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
> pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
> time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
> service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
> digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> Actually, the service had already stopped in most
> states, but Nevada and California ? with their large
> rural and unmapped areas ? were still holding out,
> should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
> the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
> which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
> contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
> system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
> end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
> its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
>
> Full article at
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?coll=la-home-center
>
> Max
>
>
>       ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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From g4vft at btinternet.com  Mon Sep  3 12:43:37 2007
From: g4vft at btinternet.com (Jonathan Kay)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:43:37 +0100
Subject: [VoIP] OT FM Simplex Channels for 2M & 70cms
In-Reply-To: <46C8B77B.4050203@btinternet.com>
References: <46C8B77B.4050203@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <46DC47C9.7060201@btinternet.com>

I'm back.
Many thanks to Davis and Doug for your replies. What I had forgotten to 
factor in though, was getting the kids rigs adapted to transmit in the 
in the US frequency allocations. With so little time, I had to abandon 
the whole idea. Still, that's me all over, not being organised.
 We had a great stay in Orlando. Ate far too much, and lapped to the 
sunshine and 90 degree temperatures.  Managed to hand lots of dollars to 
the Universal and Disney corporations too!
 Unfortunately  the flight home was cancelled, so spent 24hours stranded 
at Orlando International airport. We felt a bit like Tom Hanks in that 
picture "The Terminal". It's incredibly boring in these places.

Jon

 

From hockd at dteenergy.com  Mon Sep  3 12:49:30 2007
From: hockd at dteenergy.com (Dennis D Hock)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:49:30 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Away
In-Reply-To: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686432@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
References: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E11316686432@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
Message-ID: <OF1BA45C14.AF409518-ON8525734B.0061EA6E-8525734B.0061EA72@dteenergy.com>

Greg,

Sorry to hear about your surgery.  Bummer to get old.  Hope you are able to
get up and about quickly, in the meantime sit back and enjoy.

Dennis Hock

-----voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info wrote: -----


To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
From: "Greg Blakely" <greg at vyger.net>
Sent by: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info
Date: 08/31/2007 12:30PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Away

AND...  I'm back.

I had one of my artificial hips re-done.  I personally don't think that
I should've been cut loose from the hospital this quickly, but then that
gets into my whole health-care rant, which then leads to my rant about
how cutting costs has kept us from investing in our future.

(See?  I just couldn't leave it alone!)

At any rate, I've got a rental hospital bed set up in the living room,
and a wife at my beck and call, so I'm not suffering much -- except for
when I get up and do my PT exercises.

And I've got some really good pain meds, so, what else could a guy
want???


> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info
> [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On Behalf Of Greg Blakely
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:16 PM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: [VoIP] Away
>
> Hopefully, the mailing list server will continue to hum along
> over the next few weeks, as I won't be around to babysit it.
>
> I'll be in the hospital for a few days, and then laid up at
> home for several more.
>
> Talk with you all later.
> _______________________________________________
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From ratguy at insightbb.com  Mon Sep  3 15:05:33 2007
From: ratguy at insightbb.com (Jayson Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:05:33 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>
	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 machine
which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
Jayson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er


> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
> that uses the exact phrasing:
>
> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
>
> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
> new 269 split region for several years.
>
> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > FWIW, via slashdot
> >
> > "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
> > pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
> > time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
> > service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
> > digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> > Actually, the service had already stopped in most
> > states, but Nevada and California ? with their large
> > rural and unmapped areas ? were still holding out,
> > should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
> > the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
> > which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
> > contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
> > system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
> > end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
> > its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
> >
> > Full article at
> >
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?coll=la-home-center
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
________
> > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
panel and lay it on us.
http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
> >
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> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
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From lee at spenadel.com  Mon Sep  3 17:58:35 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:58:35 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <083201c7ee7d$f5529060$dff7b120$@com>

Jayson,

There is at least one such Jane Barbe machine in existence that I know of.
The person who owns it has no interest in making it available for the
duplication of announcements.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On
Behalf Of Jayson Smith
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:06 PM
To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er

I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 machine
which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
Jayson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er


> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
> that uses the exact phrasing:
>
> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
>
> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
> new 269 split region for several years.
>
> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > FWIW, via slashdot
> >
> > "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
> > pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
> > time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
> > service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
> > digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> > Actually, the service had already stopped in most
> > states, but Nevada and California - with their large
> > rural and unmapped areas - were still holding out,
> > should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
> > the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
> > which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
> > contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
> > system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
> > end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
> > its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
> >
> > Full article at
> >
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?c
oll=la-home-center
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
________
> > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
panel and lay it on us.
http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
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>
_______________________________________________
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From ratguy at insightbb.com  Mon Sep  3 18:49:48 2007
From: ratguy at insightbb.com (Jayson Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:49:48 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>
	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<083201c7ee7d$f5529060$dff7b120$@com>
Message-ID: <000301c7ee85$1d2b8180$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,

     That's too bad! Anyone know of any others owned by people who might be
willing to make them available for announcement duplication?

     On the subject of John Doyle announcements, as previously mentioned, I
do have a complete set as recorded over many calls from the 410-844-1212
machine, still in operation. I have a file of calls to that machine. It's
been nearly two years since I even looked at these recordings, and I just
can't seem to keep from getting little pops when I paste individual words or
phrases. If anyone wants to take a crack at constructing a sample library
from my file, I'm pretty sure every necessary phrase is there. The file is
at the following URL. Note, I've done some silence suppression to save
space. If you want to hear how the machine actually sounds, dial
410-844-1212.
http://www.bluegrasspals.com/jd.wav
This is close to half an hour worth of recordings.
Jayson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Spenadel" <lee at spenadel.com>
To: "'Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches'" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er


> Jayson,
>
> There is at least one such Jane Barbe machine in existence that I know of.
> The person who owns it has no interest in making it available for the
> duplication of announcements.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info]
On
> Behalf Of Jayson Smith
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:06 PM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
> I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 machine
> which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
> there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
> still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
>
> > Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
> > that uses the exact phrasing:
> >
> > "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
> > the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
> >
> > That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
> > advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
> > Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
> > new 269 split region for several years.
> >
> > I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
> > have not been able to find any similar recordings.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rusty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > FWIW, via slashdot
> > >
> > > "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
> > > pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
> > > time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
> > > service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
> > > digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> > > Actually, the service had already stopped in most
> > > states, but Nevada and California - with their large
> > > rural and unmapped areas - were still holding out,
> > > should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
> > > the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
> > > which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
> > > contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
> > > system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
> > > end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
> > > its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
> > >
> > > Full article at
> > >
>
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?c
> oll=la-home-center
> > >
> > > Max
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> ________
> > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
> panel and lay it on us.
> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > VoIP mailing list
> > > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

From stfkerman at jps.net  Mon Sep  3 18:55:00 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:55:00 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Test
Message-ID: <46DC9ED4.1080101@jps.net>

Posted a message at 6:23 EDT and it has not echoed here though other 
messages from this list have come through.

=SK=

From stfkerman at jps.net  Mon Sep  3 18:57:34 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:57:34 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Test
In-Reply-To: <46DC9ED4.1080101@jps.net>
References: <46DC9ED4.1080101@jps.net>
Message-ID: <46DC9F6E.5070304@jps.net>

Well this one came through instantly!

=SK=

Steph Kerman wrote:
> Posted a message at 6:23 EDT and it has not echoed here though other 
> messages from this list have come through.
>
> =SK=
>   

From stfkerman at jps.net  Mon Sep  3 19:00:10 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:00:10 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <46DCA00A.3020508@jps.net>

Here is what I said at 6:23 PM

The original message was addressed to:
Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches <voip at lists.ckts.info> , an address it inherited by replying to Jayson's message.  It seems that messages sent to this address go into cyberspace and do not post.


On Friday, NPR's ATC interviewed the gal who did the announcements used
in California. She was someone other than Jane Barbie. I didn't catch
her name.

Steph

Jayson Smith wrote:
> I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 machine
> which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
> there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
> still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
>
>   
>> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
>> that uses the exact phrasing:
>>
>> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
>> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
>>
>> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
>> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
>> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
>> new 269 split region for several years.
>>
>> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
>> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> FWIW, via slashdot
>>>
>>> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
>>> pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
>>> time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
>>> service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
>>> digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
>>> Actually, the service had already stopped in most
>>> states, but Nevada and California ? with their large
>>> rural and unmapped areas ? were still holding out,
>>> should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
>>> the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
>>> which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
>>> contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
>>> system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
>>> end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
>>> its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
>>>
>>> Full article at
>>>
>>>       
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?coll=la-home-center
>   
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> ________
>   
>>> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
>>>       
> panel and lay it on us.
> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
>   
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> VoIP mailing list
>>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
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>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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>   


From ratguy at insightbb.com  Mon Sep  3 19:00:05 2007
From: ratguy at insightbb.com (Jayson Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:00:05 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>
	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<083201c7ee7d$f5529060$dff7b120$@com>
	<000301c7ee85$1d2b8180$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <000701c7ee86$8cd8df40$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Here's my original post on this topic, on December 1, 2005. The url in that
post might still work, and it gives a little more insight into the
recordings. I've combined the files it talks about into one .wav file,
downsampling the 44100 file to 8000.

Hello,
Ok, I'm getting sick and tired of editing samples and getting little pops in
my samples.  So I've decided to handle this differently.  Anybody who wishes
may download the following file.
http://jaybird.no-ip.info/jdsample.zip
This is a file, slightly less than 24 megabytes long, of many calls to this
machine.  The file a.wav is sampled at 44 Khz, sorry about that.  It was
originally sampled at 8 Khz and I upsampled it and don't have the original
any more.  All you really need from it are the 11 and 12 hour samples
anyway.  The other file, b.wav, is sampled at 8 Khz, just like the audio
came in from Goiax.  As far as I know it has all of the samples that aren't
in the a.wav file.  Between the two files all required samples should be
there.  Some samples are of lesser quality because of connection or Internet
troubles but there should always be at least one very good quality version
of every sample.  Most of the time I let it announce the time several times
so I could get several different samples.  Unfortunately Goiax is no longer
offering free long distance calls so I can't sample this machine any more
this way but I think good versions of everything is there.  I have
compressed the long pauses between time announcements to save disk space and
time.  I'm sure a normal sighted person can cut the samples at a zero
crossing or whatever to avoid pops.
Jayson.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at insightbb.com>
To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er


> Hi,
>
>      That's too bad! Anyone know of any others owned by people who might
be
> willing to make them available for announcement duplication?
>
>      On the subject of John Doyle announcements, as previously mentioned,
I
> do have a complete set as recorded over many calls from the 410-844-1212
> machine, still in operation. I have a file of calls to that machine. It's
> been nearly two years since I even looked at these recordings, and I just
> can't seem to keep from getting little pops when I paste individual words
or
> phrases. If anyone wants to take a crack at constructing a sample library
> from my file, I'm pretty sure every necessary phrase is there. The file is
> at the following URL. Note, I've done some silence suppression to save
> space. If you want to hear how the machine actually sounds, dial
> 410-844-1212.
> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/jd.wav
> This is close to half an hour worth of recordings.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lee Spenadel" <lee at spenadel.com>
> To: "'Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches'" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
>
> > Jayson,
> >
> > There is at least one such Jane Barbe machine in existence that I know
of.
> > The person who owns it has no interest in making it available for the
> > duplication of announcements.
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jayson Smith
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:06 PM
> > To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> > Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
> >
> > I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212
machine
> > which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
> > there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
> > still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
> > Jayson
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
> > To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
> >
> >
> > > Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
> > > that uses the exact phrasing:
> > >
> > > "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
> > > the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
> > >
> > > That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
> > > advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
> > > Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
> > > new 269 split region for several years.
> > >
> > > I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
> > > have not been able to find any similar recordings.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Rusty
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > FWIW, via slashdot
> > > >
> > > > "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
> > > > pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
> > > > time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
> > > > service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
> > > > digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> > > > Actually, the service had already stopped in most
> > > > states, but Nevada and California - with their large
> > > > rural and unmapped areas - were still holding out,
> > > > should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
> > > > the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
> > > > which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
> > > > contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
> > > > system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
> > > > end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
> > > > its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
> > > >
> > > > Full article at
> > > >
> >
>
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?c
> > oll=la-home-center
> > > >
> > > > Max
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> > ________
> > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s
user
> > panel and lay it on us.
> > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > VoIP mailing list
> > > > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > > > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > > > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
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> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

From stfkerman at jps.net  Mon Sep  3 19:11:17 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:11:17 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Test message to voip@lists.ckts.info
Message-ID: <46DCA2A5.7090900@jps.net>

Testing whether posting to the Reply To address contained in the 
messages coming back from the list works.  So far it has not worked for 
me.  Only posting to voip at ckts.info has worked.

=SK=

From stfkerman at jps.net  Mon Sep  3 17:23:12 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:23:12 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <46DC8950.2000506@jps.net>

On Friday, NPR's ATC interviewed the gal who did the announcements used 
in California. She was someone other than Jane Barbie. I didn't catch 
her name.

Steph

Jayson Smith wrote:
> I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 machine
> which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
> there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
> still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
>
>   
>> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
>> that uses the exact phrasing:
>>
>> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
>> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
>>
>> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
>> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
>> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
>> new 269 split region for several years.
>>
>> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
>> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> FWIW, via slashdot
>>>
>>> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
>>> pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
>>> time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
>>> service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
>>> digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
>>> Actually, the service had already stopped in most
>>> states, but Nevada and California ? with their large
>>> rural and unmapped areas ? were still holding out,
>>> should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
>>> the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
>>> which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
>>> contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
>>> system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
>>> end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
>>> its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
>>>
>>> Full article at
>>>
>>>       
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?coll=la-home-center
>   
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> ________
>   
>>> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
>>>       
> panel and lay it on us.
> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
>   
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> VoIP mailing list
>>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>   

From ratguy at insightbb.com  Mon Sep  3 21:49:28 2007
From: ratguy at insightbb.com (Jayson Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:49:28 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>
	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<46DC8950.2000506@jps.net>
Message-ID: <000601c7ee9e$3620a120$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

If they interviewed her live, and it wasn't an older recording, it
definitely wouldn't be Jane Barbe, since IIRC she died in July of 2003 or
so.
Jayson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er


> On Friday, NPR's ATC interviewed the gal who did the announcements used
> in California. She was someone other than Jane Barbie. I didn't catch
> her name.
>
> Steph
>
> Jayson Smith wrote:
> > I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212
machine
> > which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
> > there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
> > still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
> > Jayson
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
> > To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
> >
> >
> >
> >> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
> >> that uses the exact phrasing:
> >>
> >> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
> >> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
> >>
> >> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
> >> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
> >> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
> >> new 269 split region for several years.
> >>
> >> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
> >> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Rusty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> FWIW, via slashdot
> >>>
> >>> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
> >>> pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
> >>> time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
> >>> service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
> >>> digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> >>> Actually, the service had already stopped in most
> >>> states, but Nevada and California ? with their large
> >>> rural and unmapped areas ? were still holding out,
> >>> should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
> >>> the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
> >>> which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
> >>> contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
> >>> system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
> >>> end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
> >>> its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
> >>>
> >>> Full article at
> >>>
> >>>
> >
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?coll=la-home-center
> >
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
> > ________
> >
> >>> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
> >>>
> > panel and lay it on us.
> > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
> >
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> VoIP mailing list
> >>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> >>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> >>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> VoIP mailing list
> >> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> >> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> >> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

From stfkerman at jps.net  Mon Sep  3 22:02:00 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:02:00 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <000601c7ee9e$3620a120$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>	<46DC8950.2000506@jps.net>
	<000601c7ee9e$3620a120$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <46DCCAA8.5020606@jps.net>

It was a live and very contemporary interview. The interviewee bemoaned 
the fact that she wasn't entitled to royalties for the years her voice 
was used and then went on to accept wistfully that the times they are 
a-changin' and she's sorry to see the time service discontinued.

I'm sure you can hear the whole interview in the NPR ATC archives. I 
captured a WAV file of part of it but I was not expecting it and missed 
the first 30 seconds or so.

Steph

Jayson Smith wrote:
> If they interviewed her live, and it wasn't an older recording, it
> definitely wouldn't be Jane Barbe, since IIRC she died in July of 2003 or
> so.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steph Kerman" <stfkerman at jps.net>
> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
>
>   
>> On Friday, NPR's ATC interviewed the gal who did the announcements used
>> in California. She was someone other than Jane Barbie. I didn't catch
>> her name.
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212
>>>       
> machine
>   
>>> which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
>>> there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
>>> still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
>>> Jayson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
>>>> that uses the exact phrasing:
>>>>
>>>> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
>>>> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
>>>>
>>>> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
>>>> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
>>>> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
>>>> new 269 split region for several years.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
>>>> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Rusty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> FWIW, via slashdot
>>>>>
>>>>> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
>>>>> pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
>>>>> time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
>>>>> service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
>>>>> digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
>>>>> Actually, the service had already stopped in most
>>>>> states, but Nevada and California ? with their large
>>>>> rural and unmapped areas ? were still holding out,
>>>>> should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
>>>>> the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
>>>>> which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
>>>>> contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
>>>>> system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
>>>>> end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
>>>>> its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
>>>>>
>>>>> Full article at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?coll=la-home-center
>   
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>   
>>> ________
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> panel and lay it on us.
>>> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> VoIP mailing list
>>>>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>>>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> VoIP mailing list
>>>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> VoIP mailing list
>>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>   

From greg at vyger.net  Mon Sep  3 22:42:07 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:42:07 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668645C@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

Odd.  The Mail Exchange (MX) records both point to the same place:

 # dig lists.ckts.info MX

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;lists.ckts.info.               IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
lists.ckts.info.        10800   IN      MX      10 ns01.ckts.info.

 # dig ckts.info MX      

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ckts.info.                     IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
ckts.info.              604800  IN      MX      10 ns01.ckts.info.


It's possible that, if your email agent tries to deliver it to the "A" record rather than the "MX" record, it will be rejected.  But not outright ignored.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info 
> [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On Behalf Of Steph Kerman
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:00 PM
> To: Voice Over IP * CNET
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
> 
> Here is what I said at 6:23 PM
> 
> The original message was addressed to:
> Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches 
> <voip at lists.ckts.info> , an address it inherited by replying 
> to Jayson's message.  It seems that messages sent to this 
> address go into cyberspace and do not post.
> 
> 
> On Friday, NPR's ATC interviewed the gal who did the 
> announcements used in California. She was someone other than 
> Jane Barbie. I didn't catch her name.
> 
> Steph
> 
> Jayson Smith wrote:
> > I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 
> > machine which is still running. They're spoken by John 
> Doyle. As far 
> > as I know, there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that 
> > announcement style still in service. If interested, let me 
> know and I'll post the URL.
> > Jayson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
> > To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" 
> <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
> >
> >
> >   
> >> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a 
> time system 
> >> that uses the exact phrasing:
> >>
> >> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As 
> opposed to "at 
> >> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
> >>
> >> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't 
> >> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
> >> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the 
> old 616 and 
> >> new 269 split region for several years.
> >>
> >> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I 
> >> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Rusty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>     
> >>> FWIW, via slashdot
> >>>
> >>> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to pick up a 
> >>> landline, payphone, etc and find out what time it is at the beep. 
> >>> AT&T, which has had the service since the 20s, cited a lack of 
> >>> demand in the digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
> >>> Actually, the service had already stopped in most states, 
> but Nevada 
> >>> and California ? with their large rural and unmapped areas ? were 
> >>> still holding out, should the lost motorist or weary 
> hiker need to 
> >>> know the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine", which 
> >>> consisted of two large drum-like devices that contained several 
> >>> audio-tracks and a quite advanced system for syncing up with the 
> >>> caller, will probably end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the 
> >>> arrival of its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
> >>>
> >>> Full article at
> >>>
> >>>       
> > 
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.co
> > lumn?coll=la-home-center
> >   
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       
> > 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> > ______
> > ________
> >   
> >>> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s 
> >>> user
> >>>       
> > panel and lay it on us.
> > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
> >   
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> VoIP mailing list
> >>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> >>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> >>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >>>
> >>>       
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> VoIP mailing list
> >> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> >> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> >> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >>
> >>     
> > _______________________________________________
> > VoIP mailing list
> > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> >   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> 
> 

From greg at vyger.net  Mon Sep  3 22:46:39 2007
From: greg at vyger.net (Greg Blakely)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:46:39 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Test message to voip@lists.ckts.info
Message-ID: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668645D@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>

So, I hit reply to test your theory.

I also changed the reply-to address for the list, as I can't see any
reason why the "lists" needs to be prepended.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info 
> [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On Behalf Of Steph Kerman
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:11 PM
> To: voip at lists.ckts.info
> Subject: [VoIP] Test message to voip at lists.ckts.info
> 
> Testing whether posting to the Reply To address contained in 
> the messages coming back from the list works.  So far it has 
> not worked for me.  Only posting to voip at ckts.info has worked.
> 
> =SK=
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> 
> 

From stfkerman at jps.net  Mon Sep  3 22:50:08 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:50:08 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668645C@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
References: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668645C@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
Message-ID: <46DCD5F0.3090706@jps.net>

Thanks Greg. It finally DID come through. It was delayed by many hours, 
but apparently nothing to do with the address, though it seemed that way 
at first. I gave it lots of time to ripple through before sending test 
messages.

Steph

Greg Blakely wrote:
> Odd.  The Mail Exchange (MX) records both point to the same place:
>
>  # dig lists.ckts.info MX
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;lists.ckts.info.               IN      MX
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> lists.ckts.info.        10800   IN      MX      10 ns01.ckts.info.
>
>  # dig ckts.info MX      
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;ckts.info.                     IN      MX
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> ckts.info.              604800  IN      MX      10 ns01.ckts.info.
>
>
> It's possible that, if your email agent tries to deliver it to the "A" record rather than the "MX" record, it will be rejected.  But not outright ignored.
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info 
>> [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On Behalf Of Steph Kerman
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:00 PM
>> To: Voice Over IP * CNET
>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>>
>> Here is what I said at 6:23 PM
>>
>> The original message was addressed to:
>> Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches 
>> <voip at lists.ckts.info> , an address it inherited by replying 
>> to Jayson's message.  It seems that messages sent to this 
>> address go into cyberspace and do not post.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, NPR's ATC interviewed the gal who did the 
>> announcements used in California. She was someone other than 
>> Jane Barbie. I didn't catch her name.
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> Jayson Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 
>>> machine which is still running. They're spoken by John 
>>>       
>> Doyle. As far 
>>     
>>> as I know, there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that 
>>> announcement style still in service. If interested, let me 
>>>       
>> know and I'll post the URL.
>>     
>>> Jayson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" 
>>>       
>> <voip at lists.ckts.info>
>>     
>>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a 
>>>>         
>> time system 
>>     
>>>> that uses the exact phrasing:
>>>>
>>>> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As 
>>>>         
>> opposed to "at 
>>     
>>>> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
>>>>
>>>> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't 
>>>> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
>>>> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the 
>>>>         
>> old 616 and 
>>     
>>>> new 269 split region for several years.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I 
>>>> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Rusty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> FWIW, via slashdot
>>>>>
>>>>> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to pick up a 
>>>>> landline, payphone, etc and find out what time it is at the beep. 
>>>>> AT&T, which has had the service since the 20s, cited a lack of 
>>>>> demand in the digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
>>>>> Actually, the service had already stopped in most states, 
>>>>>           
>> but Nevada 
>>     
>>>>> and California ? with their large rural and unmapped areas ? were 
>>>>> still holding out, should the lost motorist or weary 
>>>>>           
>> hiker need to 
>>     
>>>>> know the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine", which 
>>>>> consisted of two large drum-like devices that contained several 
>>>>> audio-tracks and a quite advanced system for syncing up with the 
>>>>> caller, will probably end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the 
>>>>> arrival of its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
>>>>>
>>>>> Full article at
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.co
>>     
>>> lumn?coll=la-home-center
>>>   
>>>       
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>     
>>> ______
>>> ________
>>>   
>>>       
>>>>> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s 
>>>>> user
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
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From ratguy at insightbb.com  Tue Sep  4 03:43:42 2007
From: ratguy at insightbb.com (Jayson Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 04:43:42 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Way ot - Converting Vax VMS files to text
Message-ID: <000501c7eecf$b2937e40$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

Hi,

     This is way off-topic, sorry. But, I just won a Digital DECtalk DTC-01
on eBay. A while back, I found a zip archive with some documentation, which
other than this file, seems to be almost nonexistent in electronic form. I
did find a PDF of, I think, the installation manual, but it's just a
collection of scanned images, no text. Anyway, these files seem to be
written for use with Vax VMS. I have no idea how to convert them to
something more usable. I have some files with .ln3 extensions which look
like pure garbage when I read them, and some .lpr files which, I think, look
more human-readable. There are other text files that are pretty much
straight text, with some garbage characters thrown in every now and then.
Does anyone here know how to convert these into modern text files? Thanks
for any help.
Jayson

From dfroula at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  4 08:30:14 2007
From: dfroula at sbcglobal.net (Donald Froula)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 06:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] [off VoIP] Ernest Telecomm 7D-3 Payphone
In-Reply-To: <46D8BE66.5020604@jps.net>
Message-ID: <64918.1246.qm@web83206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, some kind collector sent me a .pdf manual for a
similar (ETX) payphone. He also sent along the
software needed to program the phone using a 1200 baud
modem.

Another individual sent me a guide to wiring up a
standard 14-pin LCD module to the "LCD" connector on
the circuit board to allow keypad programming.

I decided to go the modem programming route. I had a
NIB "old" MultiTech modem that I decided to try to
use. The software (written in Visual Basic) wants to
see a real Hayes modem and has the original Hayes
command set hard-coded into some parts of it. The
software did allow settting up custom initialization
strings. I found the commands to lock the modem to
only try 1200 baud connects and to disable hardware
handshaking. After reprogramming the phone ID number
with the keypad (blind, without the LCD) I was able to
connect and read back the stored settings over
Asterisk and two ports on a Linksys PAP2 ATA.

The phone uses a pre-loaded rate table that is
customized to the area code and exchange where the
phone is installed. The rate table classifies any
dialed number into local, inter-lata, intra-lata,
inter-state, and international. The classification is
all relative to the area code and exchange where the
phone was installed. This is problematic when using
the phone in another location.

This rate table file can be uploaded and downloaded,
but not edited by the software. Apparently, one had to
buy a customized table from Ernest Telecom, now out of
business. I looked at the uploaded rate table with a
hex editor, but there is no readable text that could
be edited inside.

There are rate override settings to allow one single
rate for all 7 digit and another set for all 10 digit
phone numbers. However, the predefined local area
codes and exchanges override the overrides!

The answer was another function in the phone called a
CSN (Customized Special Number) table. This allows
redifining the rate band for any area code, exchanges,
specific phone number, etc. Wildcard characters are
allowed, so it is quite flexible. I used this to
redefine the band all of the area codes/exchanges
predefined as local, then defining a new set of local
exchanges. This worked, although it would have been
great to have the software that actually generates a
new rate table.

An interesting feature of the phone is the ability to
define a "211" refund number. The phone will make a
free call to the defined "211" number. The person
answering the phone can query the phone via DTMF to
check the last call dialed, the amount collected, and
the duration of the call. The "operator" can then
remotely actuate the coin return and/or issue a refund
amount that the phone will apply to the next call from
the phone.

The owner can also check the coin box balance and
reset it remotely or from the keypad.

I have this all working on Asterisk with a custom
context.

The phone is completely line-powered. It seems quite
happy when connected to a Linksys PAP2 ATA, even
though the voltage is not 48VDC.

The phone uses a coin detector switch that has three
slots, matching the three slots output of the coin
sorter. As the sorted coins drop through one of three
slots, it closes a contact that tells the circuit
board what has been deposited. The switch occasionally
jams when a coin slips between the wall of the slot
and the little actuator lever. Apparently a new unit
is available that has wider actualtors to avoid this.
It is a real pain to fix these jams, so I will order a
new switch from payphones.com. All these coin path
parts appear to be standard across brands of COCOT.

There are pins on the board for a ringer, although
none was installed. The ringer capacitor is on the
board. I hooked an old mechanical ringer to the pins
and it rang fine.

Now to put it in the family room and try to collect
some cash from the family for a "second line"!

Don

--- Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net> wrote:

> Don,
> 
> I checked.  He does not have any info on this.
> 
> Steph
> 
> On 8/25/07 Steph wrote:
> 
> I'm copying this to a friend who had a COCOT
> business some years ago.  I
> don't know whether he can help but I'm sure if he
> can he will.
> 
> Steph
> 
> Donald Froula wrote:
> > I picked up an Ernest Telecomm 7D-3 single-slot
> COCOT
> > payphone today. There is a programming switch on
> the
> > board in the phone that seems to put the keypad in
> > programming mode, but I get no voice prompts or
> any
> > other indication, other than DTMF when I press the
> > keys.
> >
> > The board is labeled "Ernest D3". 
> >
> > Does anyone have programming instructions for this
> > beast?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Don
> > --- Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> Do you have the detailed description of the 1D
> type
> >> CTS?
> >>
> >> Steph
> >>
> >> Mark Rudholm wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Steph Kerman wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Mark Rudholm wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Something I've noticed with my D phones is
> that
> >>>>>           
> >> they mute the coin 
> >>     
> >>>>> tones much more than my C phones.
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>> I noticed recently that the coin maintenance
> >>>>         
> >> practice specifically says 
> >>     
> >>>> the Ds mute completely and the Cs not.
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> If you're in a quiet place, you can hear the
> coin
> >>>       
> >> tones on a D
> >>     
> >>> set, but just barely.  I assume it's
> unintentional
> >>>       
> >> (like the
> >>     
> >>> slight amount of pulse clicking you can hear on
> >>>       
> >> most rotary
> >>     
> >>> phones despite the receiver being "muted").
> >>>
> >>> If you know of a way to change the "muting" to
> >>>       
> >> something more
> >>     
> >>> like the attenuation applied by touch-tone dials
> >>>       
> >> when sending
> >>     
> >>> DTMF signals, I'd be interested.  Presumably
> >>>       
> >> there's a switch
> >>     
> >>> opening somewhere in the phone that could be
> >>>       
> >> defeated with a
> >>     
> >>> jumper or resistor (non-permanently).
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>> There are some other minor differences. For
> >>>>>           
> >> example, if you put a coin 
> >>     
> >>>>> into a C phone while it is on-hook, the phone
> >>>>>           
> >> will pause and then 
> >>     
> >>>>> return it. If you do that on a D phone, the
> coin
> >>>>>           
> >> will sit on the 
> >>     
> >>>>> hopper until you go off-hook and then on-hook.
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>> That's interesting.  Never noticed.  I have C
> and
> >>>>         
> >> E sets but haven't 
> >>     
> >>>> played with them much.  I'd like to have an A
> too
> >>>>         
> >> but so far don't.
> >>     
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> I'd like to have an un-modified three-slot. 
> >>>       
> >> Unfortunately,
> >>     
> >>> those don't seem to exist anymore.
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>     
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >   
> 
> 


From watson061502 at ameritech.net  Tue Sep  4 09:44:03 2007
From: watson061502 at ameritech.net (Nathan Watson)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:44:03 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Question about Asterisk & VM
Message-ID: <e9237de30709040744y3d52bd97v9494289b60585627@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I would like to know if anyone has set up Asterisk in conjunction with
CO-based voicemail such that Asterisk would see and interpret FSK
tones from the CO and then activate the VM indicator at selected
Asterisk-connected extensions. I already see that this can create a
disjointed and tedious situation (i.e. how does one deactivate the
*-based VM indicator once the CO voicemail is retrieved? ...), but I'm
interested if anyone has attempted anything like this. Before even
entertaining this idea, I need to ask if any FXO products even exist
to interpret FSK tones in the first place.

Thank you,

Nathan

From mark at rudholm.com  Tue Sep  4 12:04:08 2007
From: mark at rudholm.com (Mark Rudholm)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:04:08 -0700
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <46DCD5F0.3090706@jps.net>
References: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668645C@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>
	<46DCD5F0.3090706@jps.net>
Message-ID: <46DD9008.8040008@rudholm.com>

Steph Kerman wrote:
> Thanks Greg. It finally DID come through. It was delayed by many hours, 
> but apparently nothing to do with the address, though it seemed that way 
> at first. I gave it lots of time to ripple through before sending test 
> messages.

It wasn't a DNS or addressing problem.

The problem was a slow Earthlink mail server:

Received: from ns01.ckts.info (ns01 [127.0.0.1])
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	for <voip at lists.ckts.info>; Mon,  3 Sep 2007 21:01:52 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net
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Received: from onempop-canada.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.60])
	by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34)
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	id 1ISKK2-0003Pz-00
	for voip at lists.ckts.info; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:23:09 -0400

It looks like you submitted the message to
onempop-canada.atl.sa.earthlink.net at 18:23.
onempop-canada.atl.sa.earthlink.net gave it to
fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net about 13 seconds later,
but fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net sat on it for about
an hour and forty minutes before passing it on to ns01.ckts.info.

Big mail servers do this when they're heavily loaded (or poorly
configured, or both)

-Mark

From stfkerman at jps.net  Tue Sep  4 12:21:21 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <46DD9008.8040008@rudholm.com>
References: <A691C3685A152E4AAC9608B8D8E1131668645C@godzilla.hickory.vyger.net>	<46DCD5F0.3090706@jps.net>
	<46DD9008.8040008@rudholm.com>
Message-ID: <46DD9411.5040505@jps.net>

Thanks Mark.  Of course there's no way to know that until it arrives. 

The most obvious apparent (but not real) discrepancy occurred when I 
sent a test message directly from my address book, using a slightly 
different address, and it arrived immediately.  But then, so did the 
second test message using the original address.

BTW, for most of a year, I and another Earthlink customer I happen to 
know of were unable to send any mail to tds.net.  100% of the messages 
were rejected.  I could send from Yahoo or Google but not Earthlink.  A 
few attempts to resolve the problem resulted in the usual dead end where 
some people at Earthlink agreed it WAS their problem and the people they 
referred me to insisted it was not.  I gave up.  Eventually, it started 
working again.

Steph

Mark Rudholm wrote:
> Steph Kerman wrote:
>   
>> Thanks Greg. It finally DID come through. It was delayed by many hours, 
>> but apparently nothing to do with the address, though it seemed that way 
>> at first. I gave it lots of time to ripple through before sending test 
>> messages.
>>     
>
> It wasn't a DNS or addressing problem.
>
> The problem was a slow Earthlink mail server:
>
> Received: from ns01.ckts.info (ns01 [127.0.0.1])
> 	by ns01.ckts.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id D136456351
> 	for <voip at lists.ckts.info>; Mon,  3 Sep 2007 21:01:52 -0500 (CDT)
> Received: from fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net
> 	(fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.104])
> 	by ns01.ckts.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA225614D
> 	for <voip at lists.ckts.info>; Mon,  3 Sep 2007 21:01:52 -0500 (CDT)
> Received: from onempop-canada.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.60])
> 	by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34)
> 	id 1ISKKI-00069T-PY
> 	for voip at lists.ckts.info; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:23:22 -0400
> Received: from dialup-4.237.44.123.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([4.237.44.123])
> 	by onempop-canada.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
> 	id 1ISKK2-0003Pz-00
> 	for voip at lists.ckts.info; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:23:09 -0400
>
> It looks like you submitted the message to
> onempop-canada.atl.sa.earthlink.net at 18:23.
> onempop-canada.atl.sa.earthlink.net gave it to
> fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net about 13 seconds later,
> but fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net sat on it for about
> an hour and forty minutes before passing it on to ns01.ckts.info.
>
> Big mail servers do this when they're heavily loaded (or poorly
> configured, or both)
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
>   

From stfkerman at jps.net  Tue Sep  4 12:29:00 2007
From: stfkerman at jps.net (Steph Kerman)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:29:00 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Trying to contact Mike Zaiontz
Message-ID: <46DD95DC.8000608@jps.net>

Hi folks,

Has anyone had any communication with Mike in the last month?  I have 
been unable to reach him despite a number of attempts by email and phone 
over that period.

Thanks
Steph

From jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org  Tue Sep  4 13:32:42 2007
From: jnovack at stromberg-carlson.org (John Novack)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:32:42 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <083201c7ee7d$f5529060$dff7b120$@com>
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<083201c7ee7d$f5529060$dff7b120$@com>
Message-ID: <46DDA4CA.4050105@stromberg-carlson.org>

IF "that person" is who I think it is, that doesn't surprise me.  That 
is a common response.

I know that Alan David and another CNETer are planning a meet to do a 
machine, but it is unknown to me when, where and who the voice might be.

John Novack

Lee Spenadel wrote:
> Jayson,
>
> There is at least one such Jane Barbe machine in existence that I know of.
> The person who owns it has no interest in making it available for the
> duplication of announcements.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at lists.ckts.info] On
> Behalf Of Jayson Smith
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:06 PM
> To: Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
> I have a complete set of recordings recorded off the 410-844-1212 machine
> which is still running. They're spoken by John Doyle. As far as I know,
> there are no remaining Jane Barbe machines with that announcement style
> still in service. If interested, let me know and I'll post the URL.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rusty Dekema" <rdekema at gmail.com>
> To: "Voice Over IP Tandem for Analog Switches" <voip at lists.ckts.info>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
>
>
>   
>> Speaking of this, do any of you have an AT&T number for a time system
>> that uses the exact phrasing:
>>
>> "Good (xyz), at the tone the time will be (zyx)." (As opposed to "at
>> the tone, (name of time zone) time will be...)
>>
>> That was how 616-346-1212 (actually 346-****, but they didn't
>> advertise it as such), the time line where I grew up, sounded.
>> Unfortunately, it has been out of commission in both the old 616 and
>> new 269 split region for several years.
>>
>> I would like to replicate the system on my Asterisk machine, but I
>> have not been able to find any similar recordings.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/07, ikjtel <ikj1234i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> FWIW, via slashdot
>>>
>>> "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to
>>> pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what
>>> time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the
>>> service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the
>>> digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction.
>>> Actually, the service had already stopped in most
>>> states, but Nevada and California - with their large
>>> rural and unmapped areas - were still holding out,
>>> should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know
>>> the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine",
>>> which consisted of two large drum-like devices that
>>> contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced
>>> system for syncing up with the caller, will probably
>>> end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of
>>> its cousin: The Pay-Phone."
>>>
>>> Full article at
>>>
>>>       
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus29aug29,0,2466396,full.column?c
> oll=la-home-center
>   
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> ________
>   
>>> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user
>>>       
> panel and lay it on us.
> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
>   
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>>     
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>
>   

-- 
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From rdekema at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 13:57:13 2007
From: rdekema at gmail.com (Rusty Dekema)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:57:13 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Er
In-Reply-To: <000301c7ee85$1d2b8180$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <46D348A2.7060803@stromberg-carlson.org>
	<684339.69636.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<68171c120709031037u2fb5fccake675ef8ab7b88402@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201c7ee65$c96fbf80$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
	<083201c7ee7d$f5529060$dff7b120$@com>
	<000301c7ee85$1d2b8180$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <68171c120709041157o2bc9d89fj83f268883c3f007c@mail.gmail.com>

Cool! While this isn't (as you noted) Jane
Barbe-or-whoever-the-time-woman-on-these-machines-was, it's a lot
closer to what I'm trying to replicate than anything else I've found.

Thanks!

Rusty



On 9/3/07, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>      That's too bad! Anyone know of any others owned by people who might be
> willing to make them available for announcement duplication?
>
>      On the subject of John Doyle announcements, as previously mentioned, I
> do have a complete set as recorded over many calls from the 410-844-1212
> machine, still in operation. I have a file of calls to that machine. It's
> been nearly two years since I even looked at these recordings, and I just
> can't seem to keep from getting little pops when I paste individual words or
> phrases. If anyone wants to take a crack at constructing a sample library
> from my file, I'm pretty sure every necessary phrase is there. The file is
> at the following URL. Note, I've done some silence suppression to save
> space. If you want to hear how the machine actually sounds, dial
> 410-844-1212.
> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/jd.wav
> This is close to half an hour worth of recordings.
> Jayson

From ratguy at insightbb.com  Tue Sep  4 18:18:14 2007
From: ratguy at insightbb.com (Jayson Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:18:14 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] [off VoIP] Ernest Telecomm 7D-3 Payphone
References: <64918.1246.qm@web83206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7ef49$de503d00$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>

The whole rate file concept is the one major problem I have with COCOTs from
a collector/recreational perspective. I want a real, honest to goodness,
working payphone with working coin collect and coin return, which prompts
for deposit, etc. However, I don't want to buy a COCOT from a COCOT company,
because they are geared to people using them to generate revenue, rather
than for recreational/amusement purposes. That's why I've always thought an
implementation of ACTS in Asterisk would be so cool. Then, I could get a
non-COCOT single-slot phone, and make up my own rate file! Five dollars for
ten seconds to CNET! Ten cents for ten hours long distance! You get the
idea.
Jayson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Froula" <dfroula at sbcglobal.net>
To: <voip at ckts.info>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [VoIP] [off VoIP] Ernest Telecomm 7D-3 Payphone


> Well, some kind collector sent me a .pdf manual for a
> similar (ETX) payphone. He also sent along the
> software needed to program the phone using a 1200 baud
> modem.
>
> Another individual sent me a guide to wiring up a
> standard 14-pin LCD module to the "LCD" connector on
> the circuit board to allow keypad programming.
>
> I decided to go the modem programming route. I had a
> NIB "old" MultiTech modem that I decided to try to
> use. The software (written in Visual Basic) wants to
> see a real Hayes modem and has the original Hayes
> command set hard-coded into some parts of it. The
> software did allow settting up custom initialization
> strings. I found the commands to lock the modem to
> only try 1200 baud connects and to disable hardware
> handshaking. After reprogramming the phone ID number
> with the keypad (blind, without the LCD) I was able to
> connect and read back the stored settings over
> Asterisk and two ports on a Linksys PAP2 ATA.
>
> The phone uses a pre-loaded rate table that is
> customized to the area code and exchange where the
> phone is installed. The rate table classifies any
> dialed number into local, inter-lata, intra-lata,
> inter-state, and international. The classification is
> all relative to the area code and exchange where the
> phone was installed. This is problematic when using
> the phone in another location.
>
> This rate table file can be uploaded and downloaded,
> but not edited by the software. Apparently, one had to
> buy a customized table from Ernest Telecom, now out of
> business. I looked at the uploaded rate table with a
> hex editor, but there is no readable text that could
> be edited inside.
>
> There are rate override settings to allow one single
> rate for all 7 digit and another set for all 10 digit
> phone numbers. However, the predefined local area
> codes and exchanges override the overrides!
>
> The answer was another function in the phone called a
> CSN (Customized Special Number) table. This allows
> redifining the rate band for any area code, exchanges,
> specific phone number, etc. Wildcard characters are
> allowed, so it is quite flexible. I used this to
> redefine the band all of the area codes/exchanges
> predefined as local, then defining a new set of local
> exchanges. This worked, although it would have been
> great to have the software that actually generates a
> new rate table.
>
> An interesting feature of the phone is the ability to
> define a "211" refund number. The phone will make a
> free call to the defined "211" number. The person
> answering the phone can query the phone via DTMF to
> check the last call dialed, the amount collected, and
> the duration of the call. The "operator" can then
> remotely actuate the coin return and/or issue a refund
> amount that the phone will apply to the next call from
> the phone.
>
> The owner can also check the coin box balance and
> reset it remotely or from the keypad.
>
> I have this all working on Asterisk with a custom
> context.
>
> The phone is completely line-powered. It seems quite
> happy when connected to a Linksys PAP2 ATA, even
> though the voltage is not 48VDC.
>
> The phone uses a coin detector switch that has three
> slots, matching the three slots output of the coin
> sorter. As the sorted coins drop through one of three
> slots, it closes a contact that tells the circuit
> board what has been deposited. The switch occasionally
> jams when a coin slips between the wall of the slot
> and the little actuator lever. Apparently a new unit
> is available that has wider actualtors to avoid this.
> It is a real pain to fix these jams, so I will order a
> new switch from payphones.com. All these coin path
> parts appear to be standard across brands of COCOT.
>
> There are pins on the board for a ringer, although
> none was installed. The ringer capacitor is on the
> board. I hooked an old mechanical ringer to the pins
> and it rang fine.
>
> Now to put it in the family room and try to collect
> some cash from the family for a "second line"!
>
> Don
>
> --- Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net> wrote:
>
> > Don,
> >
> > I checked.  He does not have any info on this.
> >
> > Steph
> >
> > On 8/25/07 Steph wrote:
> >
> > I'm copying this to a friend who had a COCOT
> > business some years ago.  I
> > don't know whether he can help but I'm sure if he
> > can he will.
> >
> > Steph
> >
> > Donald Froula wrote:
> > > I picked up an Ernest Telecomm 7D-3 single-slot
> > COCOT
> > > payphone today. There is a programming switch on
> > the
> > > board in the phone that seems to put the keypad in
> > > programming mode, but I get no voice prompts or
> > any
> > > other indication, other than DTMF when I press the
> > > keys.
> > >
> > > The board is labeled "Ernest D3".
> > >
> > > Does anyone have programming instructions for this
> > > beast?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Don
> > > --- Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Mark,
> > >>
> > >> Do you have the detailed description of the 1D
> > type
> > >> CTS?
> > >>
> > >> Steph
> > >>
> > >> Mark Rudholm wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Steph Kerman wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Mark Rudholm wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Something I've noticed with my D phones is
> > that
> > >>>>>
> > >> they mute the coin
> > >>
> > >>>>> tones much more than my C phones.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> I noticed recently that the coin maintenance
> > >>>>
> > >> practice specifically says
> > >>
> > >>>> the Ds mute completely and the Cs not.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> If you're in a quiet place, you can hear the
> > coin
> > >>>
> > >> tones on a D
> > >>
> > >>> set, but just barely.  I assume it's
> > unintentional
> > >>>
> > >> (like the
> > >>
> > >>> slight amount of pulse clicking you can hear on
> > >>>
> > >> most rotary
> > >>
> > >>> phones despite the receiver being "muted").
> > >>>
> > >>> If you know of a way to change the "muting" to
> > >>>
> > >> something more
> > >>
> > >>> like the attenuation applied by touch-tone dials
> > >>>
> > >> when sending
> > >>
> > >>> DTMF signals, I'd be interested.  Presumably
> > >>>
> > >> there's a switch
> > >>
> > >>> opening somewhere in the phone that could be
> > >>>
> > >> defeated with a
> > >>
> > >>> jumper or resistor (non-permanently).
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>> There are some other minor differences. For
> > >>>>>
> > >> example, if you put a coin
> > >>
> > >>>>> into a C phone while it is on-hook, the phone
> > >>>>>
> > >> will pause and then
> > >>
> > >>>>> return it. If you do that on a D phone, the
> > coin
> > >>>>>
> > >> will sit on the
> > >>
> > >>>>> hopper until you go off-hook and then on-hook.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> That's interesting.  Never noticed.  I have C
> > and
> > >>>>
> > >> E sets but haven't
> > >>
> > >>>> played with them much.  I'd like to have an A
> > too
> > >>>>
> > >> but so far don't.
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> I'd like to have an un-modified three-slot.
> > >>>
> > >> Unfortunately,
> > >>
> > >>> those don't seem to exist anymore.
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> VoIP mailing list
> > >>> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > >>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > >>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> VoIP mailing list
> > >> VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > >> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > >> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > VoIP mailing list
> > > VoIP at lists.ckts.info
> > > http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> > > Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From rdekema at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 18:35:28 2007
From: rdekema at gmail.com (Rusty Dekema)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:35:28 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] [off VoIP] Ernest Telecomm 7D-3 Payphone
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7ef49$de503d00$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <64918.1246.qm@web83206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000a01c7ef49$de503d00$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <68171c120709041635k27334c34ua607306aec5c7e9b@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/4/07, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
> The whole rate file concept is the one major problem I have with COCOTs from
> a collector/recreational perspective. I want a real, honest to goodness,
> working payphone with working coin collect and coin return, which prompts
> for deposit, etc. However, I don't want to buy a COCOT from a COCOT company,
> because they are geared to people using them to generate revenue, rather
> than for recreational/amusement purposes. That's why I've always thought an
> implementation of ACTS in Asterisk would be so cool. Then, I could get a
> non-COCOT single-slot phone, and make up my own rate file! Five dollars for
> ten seconds to CNET! Ten cents for ten hours long distance! You get the
> idea.
> Jayson

I guess the next logical step after this would be to get Asterisk to
interoperate with one of those cut rate outsource-by-the-hour call
centers, whose operators could ask your payphone's users, in person,
to "deposit 40 cents more for the next 3 minutes" (as the song goes).
:)

Rusty

From dfroula at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  4 19:34:53 2007
From: dfroula at sbcglobal.net (Donald Froula)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VoIP] [off VoIP] Ernest Telecomm 7D-3 Payphone
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7ef49$de503d00$6700a8c0@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <113300.47669.qm@web83203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jayson, I definitely want to go ahead and get a real
WE payphone. This one came along cheap and it was fun
to get going. It's a cute stand-alone solution that
works nicely with Asterisk and my VOIP provider.

I would surely love to find the software that
generates that rate table. One thing the software does
not allow is overriding the international rates,
unfortunately (a flat 5.00/1 minute).

Don

--- Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:

> The whole rate file concept is the one major problem
> I have with COCOTs from
> a collector/recreational perspective. I want a real,
> honest to goodness,
> working payphone with working coin collect and coin
> return, which prompts
> for deposit, etc. However, I don't want to buy a
> COCOT from a COCOT company,
> because they are geared to people using them to
> generate revenue, rather
> than for recreational/amusement purposes. That's why
> I've always thought an
> implementation of ACTS in Asterisk would be so cool.
> Then, I could get a
> non-COCOT single-slot phone, and make up my own rate
> file! Five dollars for
> ten seconds to CNET! Ten cents for ten hours long
> distance! You get the
> idea.
> Jayson
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Donald Froula" <dfroula at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <voip at ckts.info>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] [off VoIP] Ernest Telecomm 7D-3
> Payphone
> 
> 
> > Well, some kind collector sent me a .pdf manual
> for a
> > similar (ETX) payphone. He also sent along the
> > software needed to program the phone using a 1200
> baud
> > modem.
> >
> > Another individual sent me a guide to wiring up a
> > standard 14-pin LCD module to the "LCD" connector
> on
> > the circuit board to allow keypad programming.
> >
> > I decided to go the modem programming route. I had
> a
> > NIB "old" MultiTech modem that I decided to try to
> > use. The software (written in Visual Basic) wants
> to
> > see a real Hayes modem and has the original Hayes
> > command set hard-coded into some parts of it. The
> > software did allow settting up custom
> initialization
> > strings. I found the commands to lock the modem to
> > only try 1200 baud connects and to disable
> hardware
> > handshaking. After reprogramming the phone ID
> number
> > with the keypad (blind, without the LCD) I was
> able to
> > connect and read back the stored settings over
> > Asterisk and two ports on a Linksys PAP2 ATA.
> >
> > The phone uses a pre-loaded rate table that is
> > customized to the area code and exchange where the
> > phone is installed. The rate table classifies any
> > dialed number into local, inter-lata, intra-lata,
> > inter-state, and international. The classification
> is
> > all relative to the area code and exchange where
> the
> > phone was installed. This is problematic when
> using
> > the phone in another location.
> >
> > This rate table file can be uploaded and
> downloaded,
> > but not edited by the software. Apparently, one
> had to
> > buy a customized table from Ernest Telecom, now
> out of
> > business. I looked at the uploaded rate table with
> a
> > hex editor, but there is no readable text that
> could
> > be edited inside.
> >
> > There are rate override settings to allow one
> single
> > rate for all 7 digit and another set for all 10
> digit
> > phone numbers. However, the predefined local area
> > codes and exchanges override the overrides!
> >
> > The answer was another function in the phone
> called a
> > CSN (Customized Special Number) table. This allows
> > redifining the rate band for any area code,
> exchanges,
> > specific phone number, etc. Wildcard characters
> are
> > allowed, so it is quite flexible. I used this to
> > redefine the band all of the area codes/exchanges
> > predefined as local, then defining a new set of
> local
> > exchanges. This worked, although it would have
> been
> > great to have the software that actually generates
> a
> > new rate table.
> >
> > An interesting feature of the phone is the ability
> to
> > define a "211" refund number. The phone will make
> a
> > free call to the defined "211" number. The person
> > answering the phone can query the phone via DTMF
> to
> > check the last call dialed, the amount collected,
> and
> > the duration of the call. The "operator" can then
> > remotely actuate the coin return and/or issue a
> refund
> > amount that the phone will apply to the next call
> from
> > the phone.
> >
> > The owner can also check the coin box balance and
> > reset it remotely or from the keypad.
> >
> > I have this all working on Asterisk with a custom
> > context.
> >
> > The phone is completely line-powered. It seems
> quite
> > happy when connected to a Linksys PAP2 ATA, even
> > though the voltage is not 48VDC.
> >
> > The phone uses a coin detector switch that has
> three
> > slots, matching the three slots output of the coin
> > sorter. As the sorted coins drop through one of
> three
> > slots, it closes a contact that tells the circuit
> > board what has been deposited. The switch
> occasionally
> > jams when a coin slips between the wall of the
> slot
> > and the little actuator lever. Apparently a new
> unit
> > is available that has wider actualtors to avoid
> this.
> > It is a real pain to fix these jams, so I will
> order a
> > new switch from payphones.com. All these coin path
> > parts appear to be standard across brands of
> COCOT.
> >
> > There are pins on the board for a ringer, although
> > none was installed. The ringer capacitor is on the
> > board. I hooked an old mechanical ringer to the
> pins
> > and it rang fine.
> >
> > Now to put it in the family room and try to
> collect
> > some cash from the family for a "second line"!
> >
> > Don
> >
> > --- Steph Kerman <stfkerman at jps.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > I checked.  He does not have any info on this.
> > >
> > > Steph
> > >
> > > On 8/25/07 Steph wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm copying this to a friend who had a COCOT
> > > business some years ago.  I
> > > don't know whether he can help but I'm sure if
> he
> > > can he will.
> > >
> > > Steph
> > >
> > > Donald Froula wrote:
> > > > I picked up an Ernest Telecomm 7D-3
> single-slot
> > > COCOT
> > > > payphone today. There is a programming switch
> on
> > > the
> > > > board in the phone that seems to put the
> keypad in
> > > > programming mode, but I get no voice prompts
> or
> > > any
> > > > other indication, other than DTMF when I press
> the
> > > > keys.
> > > >
> 
=== message truncated ===


From lee at spenadel.com  Tue Sep  4 20:58:47 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:58:47 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
Message-ID: <004401c7ef60$4d1eee00$e75cca00$@com>

To you savvy Asterisk programmers out there, I have a question.   What is a
good way to branch out a call to a particular SIP service, like FWD in a
dial plan?  What I mean by this is that I want to be able to dial 7 in my
PBX so that I can send out calls to FWD via that route, yet still reach CNET
members whose office codes are 7XX.  I know I can wild card a command such
as

 

_71., 

 

so that FWD calls go out that way, but I'm wondering if there's a way to use
some sort of delay with the ignorepat command so that if I dial 7 and wait,
say 1 second, those calls go out via FWD, yet if there is no delay in
dialing the digits the call goes out via CNET.  I know that the ignorepat
command only disables the cancellation of dial tone for that dialed digit,
but I'm looking to emulate a PBX where you dial, say 9, to get an outside
line to reach the PSTN, which is how I had my FWD access setup.  But now
there are 7XX CNET numbers that I need to contend with. I'm thinking that
I'll have to have a unique code like *9, *8, etc for each SIP service that I
want to send calls out on.  Constructive comments welcome. 

 

 

Thanks

Lee

 

 


From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Tue Sep  4 21:34:48 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:34:48 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
In-Reply-To: <004401c7ef60$4d1eee00$e75cca00$@com>
References: <004401c7ef60$4d1eee00$e75cca00$@com>
Message-ID: <20070904213448.14hn0egjkw8cskcc@mail.shaneyoung.com>

My asterisk box is my home PBX first and CNET tandem second.

What I do is assign the generic area code "200" to north american CNET.

If I want to call a CNET number, I dial 1-200-NXX-XXXX.  200 isn't  
assigned in north america, so it works good for me.

How many digits are in yoru free world dialup numbers? (I haven't used  
FWD in many years)



Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:

> To you savvy Asterisk programmers out there, I have a question.   What is a
> good way to branch out a call to a particular SIP service, like FWD in a
> dial plan?  What I mean by this is that I want to be able to dial 7 in my
> PBX so that I can send out calls to FWD via that route, yet still reach CNET
> members whose office codes are 7XX.  I know I can wild card a command such
> as
>
>
>
> _71.,
>
>
>
> so that FWD calls go out that way, but I'm wondering if there's a way to use
> some sort of delay with the ignorepat command so that if I dial 7 and wait,
> say 1 second, those calls go out via FWD, yet if there is no delay in
> dialing the digits the call goes out via CNET.  I know that the ignorepat
> command only disables the cancellation of dial tone for that dialed digit,
> but I'm looking to emulate a PBX where you dial, say 9, to get an outside
> line to reach the PSTN, which is how I had my FWD access setup.  But now
> there are 7XX CNET numbers that I need to contend with. I'm thinking that
> I'll have to have a unique code like *9, *8, etc for each SIP service that I
> want to send calls out on.  Constructive comments welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

--Shane
+1-821-7311 CNET



From lee at spenadel.com  Tue Sep  4 21:38:26 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:38:26 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
In-Reply-To: <20070904213448.14hn0egjkw8cskcc@mail.shaneyoung.com>
References: <004401c7ef60$4d1eee00$e75cca00$@com>
	<20070904213448.14hn0egjkw8cskcc@mail.shaneyoung.com>
Message-ID: <005201c7ef65$d8288ce0$8879a6a0$@com>

Shane,

I'm trying to avoid implementing an NPA to my dialing plan.  FWD numbers are
5 - 6 digits.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
Shane Young
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:35 PM
To: voip at ckts.info
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique

My asterisk box is my home PBX first and CNET tandem second.

What I do is assign the generic area code "200" to north american CNET.

If I want to call a CNET number, I dial 1-200-NXX-XXXX.  200 isn't  
assigned in north america, so it works good for me.

How many digits are in yoru free world dialup numbers? (I haven't used  
FWD in many years)



Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:

> To you savvy Asterisk programmers out there, I have a question.   What is
a
> good way to branch out a call to a particular SIP service, like FWD in a
> dial plan?  What I mean by this is that I want to be able to dial 7 in my
> PBX so that I can send out calls to FWD via that route, yet still reach
CNET
> members whose office codes are 7XX.  I know I can wild card a command such
> as
>
>
>
> _71.,
>
>
>
> so that FWD calls go out that way, but I'm wondering if there's a way to
use
> some sort of delay with the ignorepat command so that if I dial 7 and
wait,
> say 1 second, those calls go out via FWD, yet if there is no delay in
> dialing the digits the call goes out via CNET.  I know that the ignorepat
> command only disables the cancellation of dial tone for that dialed digit,
> but I'm looking to emulate a PBX where you dial, say 9, to get an outside
> line to reach the PSTN, which is how I had my FWD access setup.  But now
> there are 7XX CNET numbers that I need to contend with. I'm thinking that
> I'll have to have a unique code like *9, *8, etc for each SIP service that
I
> want to send calls out on.  Constructive comments welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

--Shane
+1-821-7311 CNET


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From voiptandem at shaneyoung.com  Tue Sep  4 22:39:34 2007
From: voiptandem at shaneyoung.com (Shane Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:39:34 -0500
Subject: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
In-Reply-To: <005201c7ef65$d8288ce0$8879a6a0$@com>
References: <004401c7ef60$4d1eee00$e75cca00$@com>
	<20070904213448.14hn0egjkw8cskcc@mail.shaneyoung.com>
	<005201c7ef65$d8288ce0$8879a6a0$@com>
Message-ID: <20070904223934.hu6g97yas44o4ogw@mail.shaneyoung.com>

Oh, that's easy then.

exten => _7xxxx,1,macro(dial-fwd)
exten => _7xxxxx,1,macro(dial-fwd)
exten => _7xxxxxx,1,macro(dial-cnet)

This should dial immediately when you dial a 7-digit CNET number  
starting with "7".  If you dial a 5 or 6 digit number starting with  
"7" it will wait for a bit to see if you are done  dialing.  If no  
more digits are entered, then it will fire off the macro for fwd.


Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:

> Shane,
>
> I'm trying to avoid implementing an NPA to my dialing plan.  FWD numbers are
> 5 - 6 digits.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> Shane Young
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:35 PM
> To: voip at ckts.info
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
>
> My asterisk box is my home PBX first and CNET tandem second.
>
> What I do is assign the generic area code "200" to north american CNET.
>
> If I want to call a CNET number, I dial 1-200-NXX-XXXX.  200 isn't
> assigned in north america, so it works good for me.
>
> How many digits are in yoru free world dialup numbers? (I haven't used
> FWD in many years)
>
>
>
> Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:
>
>> To you savvy Asterisk programmers out there, I have a question.   What is
> a
>> good way to branch out a call to a particular SIP service, like FWD in a
>> dial plan?  What I mean by this is that I want to be able to dial 7 in my
>> PBX so that I can send out calls to FWD via that route, yet still reach
> CNET
>> members whose office codes are 7XX.  I know I can wild card a command such
>> as
>>
>>
>>
>> _71.,
>>
>>
>>
>> so that FWD calls go out that way, but I'm wondering if there's a way to
> use
>> some sort of delay with the ignorepat command so that if I dial 7 and
> wait,
>> say 1 second, those calls go out via FWD, yet if there is no delay in
>> dialing the digits the call goes out via CNET.  I know that the ignorepat
>> command only disables the cancellation of dial tone for that dialed digit,
>> but I'm looking to emulate a PBX where you dial, say 9, to get an outside
>> line to reach the PSTN, which is how I had my FWD access setup.  But now
>> there are 7XX CNET numbers that I need to contend with. I'm thinking that
>> I'll have to have a unique code like *9, *8, etc for each SIP service that
> I
>> want to send calls out on.  Constructive comments welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>
> --Shane
> +1-821-7311 CNET
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

--Shane
+1-821-7311 CNET



From lee at spenadel.com  Tue Sep  4 22:48:23 2007
From: lee at spenadel.com (Lee Spenadel)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:48:23 -0400
Subject: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
In-Reply-To: <20070904223934.hu6g97yas44o4ogw@mail.shaneyoung.com>
References: <004401c7ef60$4d1eee00$e75cca00$@com>	<20070904213448.14hn0egjkw8cskcc@mail.shaneyoung.com>	<005201c7ef65$d8288ce0$8879a6a0$@com>
	<20070904223934.hu6g97yas44o4ogw@mail.shaneyoung.com>
Message-ID: <006201c7ef6f$9c2c3660$d484a320$@com>

Thank you so much.  It's simple - wish I had seen that one.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
Shane Young
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:40 PM
To: voip at ckts.info
Subject: Re: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique

Oh, that's easy then.

exten => _7xxxx,1,macro(dial-fwd)
exten => _7xxxxx,1,macro(dial-fwd)
exten => _7xxxxxx,1,macro(dial-cnet)

This should dial immediately when you dial a 7-digit CNET number  
starting with "7".  If you dial a 5 or 6 digit number starting with  
"7" it will wait for a bit to see if you are done  dialing.  If no  
more digits are entered, then it will fire off the macro for fwd.


Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:

> Shane,
>
> I'm trying to avoid implementing an NPA to my dialing plan.  FWD numbers
are
> 5 - 6 digits.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
> Shane Young
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:35 PM
> To: voip at ckts.info
> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
>
> My asterisk box is my home PBX first and CNET tandem second.
>
> What I do is assign the generic area code "200" to north american CNET.
>
> If I want to call a CNET number, I dial 1-200-NXX-XXXX.  200 isn't
> assigned in north america, so it works good for me.
>
> How many digits are in yoru free world dialup numbers? (I haven't used
> FWD in many years)
>
>
>
> Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:
>
>> To you savvy Asterisk programmers out there, I have a question.   What is
> a
>> good way to branch out a call to a particular SIP service, like FWD in a
>> dial plan?  What I mean by this is that I want to be able to dial 7 in my
>> PBX so that I can send out calls to FWD via that route, yet still reach
> CNET
>> members whose office codes are 7XX.  I know I can wild card a command
such
>> as
>>
>>
>>
>> _71.,
>>
>>
>>
>> so that FWD calls go out that way, but I'm wondering if there's a way to
> use
>> some sort of delay with the ignorepat command so that if I dial 7 and
> wait,
>> say 1 second, those calls go out via FWD, yet if there is no delay in
>> dialing the digits the call goes out via CNET.  I know that the ignorepat
>> command only disables the cancellation of dial tone for that dialed
digit,
>> but I'm looking to emulate a PBX where you dial, say 9, to get an outside
>> line to reach the PSTN, which is how I had my FWD access setup.  But now
>> there are 7XX CNET numbers that I need to contend with. I'm thinking that
>> I'll have to have a unique code like *9, *8, etc for each SIP service
that
> I
>> want to send calls out on.  Constructive comments welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> VoIP mailing list
>> VoIP at ckts.info
>> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
>> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>>
>
> --Shane
> +1-821-7311 CNET
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>
> _______________________________________________
> VoIP mailing list
> VoIP at ckts.info
> http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
> Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/
>

--Shane
+1-821-7311 CNET


_______________________________________________
VoIP mailing list
VoIP at ckts.info
http://lists.ckts.info/mailman/listinfo/voip
Project Web Page: http://www.ckts.info/


From mark at rudholm.com  Tue Sep  4 18:43:52 2007
From: mark at rudholm.com (Mark Rudholm)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:43:52 -0700
Subject: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
In-Reply-To: <20070904223934.hu6g97yas44o4ogw@mail.shaneyoung.com>
References: <004401c7ef60$4d1eee00$e75cca00$@com>	<20070904213448.14hn0egjkw8cskcc@mail.shaneyoung.com>	<005201c7ef65$d8288ce0$8879a6a0$@com>
	<20070904223934.hu6g97yas44o4ogw@mail.shaneyoung.com>
Message-ID: <46DDEDB8.2010100@rudholm.com>

The problem is that FWD numbers don't all start with 7, so when
Lee says FWD numbers are five or six digits, he'll be dialing
7+5D or 7+6D, so it's impossible to distinguish between a
7+6D FWD call and a 7XX-XXXX CNET call.

I think he should use _*7XXXXX. for FWD calls, and
_NXXXXXX for CNET calls (which is what he's already doing, I
imagine)

-Mark

Shane Young wrote:
> Oh, that's easy then.
> 
> exten => _7xxxx,1,macro(dial-fwd)
> exten => _7xxxxx,1,macro(dial-fwd)
> exten => _7xxxxxx,1,macro(dial-cnet)
> 
> This should dial immediately when you dial a 7-digit CNET number  
> starting with "7".  If you dial a 5 or 6 digit number starting with  
> "7" it will wait for a bit to see if you are done  dialing.  If no  
> more digits are entered, then it will fire off the macro for fwd.
> 
> 
> Quoting Lee Spenadel <lee at spenadel.com>:
> 
>> Shane,
>>
>> I'm trying to avoid implementing an NPA to my dialing plan.  FWD numbers are
>> 5 - 6 digits.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: voip-bounces at ckts.info [mailto:voip-bounces at ckts.info] On Behalf Of
>> Shane Young
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:35 PM
>> To: voip at ckts.info
>> Subject: Re: [VoIP] Asterisk Programming Technique
>>
>> My asterisk box is my home PBX first and CNET tandem second.
>>
>> What I do is assign the generic area code "200" to north american CNET.
>>
>> If I want to call a CNET number, I dial